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Discussion of religion in the context of LGBTQ+ rights is only allowed in the LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion Thread.

Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.

Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.

Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#9251: Mar 20th 2013 at 8:47:02 AM

In this case, the speaker (Ultra) clearly outlined the limits of her question.

So in short; if you make the choice to take it somewhere it was never headed, that is quite simply your fault.

Obviously not since people misinterpreted it immediately. That seems like, to me, saying that your aim was perfect. It wasn't your fault that the person you were firing at was not standing where your shots hit. If your aim was good, then you would've hit where the person you were firing at was standing, and, if Ultra was clear, then people wouldn't be misinterpreting what he said.

Snipehamster Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
#9252: Mar 20th 2013 at 8:52:50 AM

On the subject of clarity, an addendum to my previous post on passive-aggressive behavior. My goal was simply to be informative, and while it was a response to Starship my post wasn't addressed to or aimed at Starship personally but in general. Looking back, I think I might have come across as a bit passive-aggressive myself. Apologies if that's the case.

Kudos to the owners of Equality House. [lol] Though, a horribly cynical part of my brain expects to see the building riddled with bullet holes or lying in a smoking ruin by the end of the year...

edited 20th Mar '13 8:53:22 AM by Snipehamster

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#9254: Mar 20th 2013 at 8:57:43 AM

Clever analogy dp; but another possibility is that everyone is shouting that they got hit, but not mentioning they were standing near the bullseye, well inside the DO NOT STAND HERE area.

Sure, people were standing in a bad place to be hit because it was not made clear that this was a DO NOT STAND HERE area.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#9256: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:02:34 AM

It wasn't clear to everyone, which is my point.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#9257: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:09:46 AM

DP your analogy falls apart when you realise that only one person had a problem with the statement until Starship said he thought it was a valid question. To torture your analogy a bit more, Ultra took the shot, one person went "I'm not sure if that hit" while every else said nothing, then Starship went "I think it did hit" and suddenly everyone is shouting about how it was defiantly a miss.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#9259: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:12:24 AM

[up][up] Fair point, but many people did no say anything between the time of Ultra posting it and Starship replying. Many of the people who had a problem with it after Starship commented on it didn't have a chance to have a problem with it before Starship commented on it.

[up] No.

edited 20th Mar '13 9:12:36 AM by deathpigeon

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#9260: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:12:49 AM

This kid is pretty damn awesome. And its nice to see someone at that age who is that well informed. http://www.upworthy.com/the-argument-to-overturn-the-ca-gay-marriage-ban-is-so-easy-a-kid-could-make-it?c=ufb1

Not sure that Roberts will listen but he did surprise us regarding Obamacare.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
#9261: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:13:03 AM

The WBC are too cowardly to actually attack anyone face to face. Making noise is the limit of their capabilities.

You make a good point here. I'm inclined to have a bit of fear for the new owners, but perhaps being in the belly of the beast, so to speak, makes them safer. If WBC take any direct action against the house, they will be seriously fucked, and there's no way even they can twist it to exonerate themselves. Phelps and co are plenty stupid, but not that kind of stupid, so I don't think the risk will come to anything.

My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#9263: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:18:27 AM

[up][up][up][up] True, but compare the reactions that both myself and Dr Tentacles got when we stated the same thing as Ultra, if you do I think you'll see that this thread does contain an anti-Starship bias.

edited 20th Mar '13 9:18:42 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#9264: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:20:49 AM

Yet not all of the people who responded to what Ultra said were online when you and Tentacles made the same points. Many of the people who were online and responded to your points were the same people who didn't have a problem when Ultra made the same point. Yes, this thread probably has an anti-Starship bias, but I don't think it's as big as you're making it out to be.

CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
House Lewis: Sanity is Relative
#9265: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:23:49 AM

It was an accidental statement intended to make a general, valid point that because of the specific phrasing caused an unwanted argument.

Also, I'm fairly sure the mods have asked for the debate over the merits of the statement to end, if I'm right?

My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.
kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
Princess Ymir's knightess
#9266: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:24:15 AM

I don't understand. You're speaking of this "anti-Starship bias" almost as if it was a... bad thing...

:/

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#9267: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:25:33 AM

@Silsaw; Of course we do! He's a trekkie!

@Video: That is pretty awesome.

kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
Princess Ymir's knightess
#9269: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:37:50 AM

But yeah, seriously now. If you take paedophilia into any kind of argument (regardless of your intention) that has to do with homosexuality, expect some raised eyebrows. :P

shimaspawn MOD from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#9270: Mar 20th 2013 at 9:52:48 AM

The fact that the comparison brought up so much controversy proves that it was a bad argument and not one to make if you wish to be communicating clearly with other people.

The fact that you're still arguing about it proves that it was a terrible argument and no one should be defending it. Instead you should all be quiet about it and not make the same comparison again.

Now drop it so we can all move on.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
shimaspawn MOD from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#9272: Mar 20th 2013 at 10:35:29 AM

If you cannot communicate effectively without inadvertently insulting other people, then you need to figure out what you're doing wrong.

Tone of voice does not transmit over the internet. What you are thinking when you write something does not transmit over the internet. If you do not want to be misunderstood, the onus is on you to write in such a way that is not easily misunderstood.

Now drop the subject and let's get back on topic.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#9273: Mar 20th 2013 at 10:53:13 AM

That sounds pretty sad, having to be your own neighbors. - Morgikit
It's more like the property equivalent of building your own echo chamber. I expect they own the property around the church from a combination of "I don't want to live next to these fuckers" and "I don't want these fuckers living next to me," producing their own mini-WBC-only-ghetto.

a horribly cynical part of my brain expects to see the building riddled with bullet holes or lying in a smoking ruin by the end of the year... - Snipe
If it is, it won't be from the WBC directly; they prefer their conflicts done via the courts so they can rip off their victims and be smugly superior about it. Taking physical action themselves would make it even harder to win their court cases. It would not surprise me to see some other anti-gay group/individuals take action against the place in the hopes of pinning it on the WBC; I mean, even the KKK hates the Phelps crowd.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#9275: Mar 20th 2013 at 1:17:29 PM

It's Everyone Has Standards now Max.

I hope some of the younger WBC see the gay's across the street see that they aren't evil and turn against their evil grandfather. Unfortunately I doubt it will happen.


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