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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM
This is quoted from American Progress:
Ironically, women are not penalized for sexual freedom. Just for being women. Men, OTOH, get that wonderful boost up of being a man, but are punished if they transgress their sexual norms.
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.If we address pay discrimination as a general policy, then ideally it wouldn't be necessary to distinguish between reasons for said discrimination. However, someone bringing a civil or criminal action under any such statute would have to identify and describe the exact behavior that occurred, so it will become an issue in practice if not in principle.
As a matter of principle, it is necessary to specify exactly what constitutes discrimination because of the Ain't No Rule problem.
edited 20th Aug '12 1:37:55 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"So what's the argument there? That tons of closeted gay employees with equal qualifications to straight men just so happened to be unlucky enough to be consistently given worse wages due to completely unrelated circumstantial factors across twelve separate studies? Are you bringing that up because you believe that, or just playing devil's advocate?
Note the 'related to their sexual orientation' part.
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.These are measure of what the respondent thinks is the cause of the mistreatment. Gotta be honest and say people can have all kinds of reasons in mind for these things that are more like justifications than reasons.
"Because I'm gay, I didn't get a raise." Could very naturally be a mask over poor performance. Sour grapes.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Wittyhttp://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbt/news/2012/04/16/11494/the-gay-and-transgender-wage-gap/
For those of you too lazy to copy-paste the quote into Google and click the very first freaking result.
By and large the issue of 'closeted' LGBT individuals is not addressed within these sources. If you want to assume that a diverse range of closeted LGBT individuals were identified for these studies despite their closeted nature and then also all subject to martyr complexes, then go ahead and do that, but you'll have to actually show proof of the plausibility of that premise rather than just saying that it 'technically isn't impossible' as a cheap means of shutting down countless statistics.
edited 22nd Aug '12 12:37:38 PM by Karkadinn
Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
As far as I know, there aren't any studies done on it. However, I can see how it'd be assumed that a lot of guys in theater are Camp Gay. On the other hand, I've known several straight guys in theater classes that have been mistaken for Camp Gay.
edited 22nd Aug '12 3:51:34 PM by DrunkGirlfriend
"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -DrunkscriblerianA debate between Dan Savage and Brian Brown argue about gay marriage.
To be honest, the part of this that made me the most upset was not anything Brian Brown said since I went into it listening to the debate knowing that he was a homophobe. What made me most upset about this was Dan saying that polygamy should not be given the same rights as monogamous marriages because it was harmful and homosexual marriage was not. I knew that Brian would make offensive statements coming into this, but I did not expect anything offensive to come from Dan. :/
Dan's talked about his views on Polygamy before and while he's fine with couples that are less than monogamous, he's never seen a stable long term poly group. As a result he sees the fact that they're more likely to fall apart in his opinion as damaging to the idea of a stable home life. He's actually all for non-monogamy.
His issue with transpeople is that honestly, it's impossible to talk about transexuals without making a misstep somewhere. It doesn't matter how well read your are or how PC you try to be, someone, somewhere will be offended.
The really sad part though is how it doesn't come off as an actual debate. It's like debates are gone out of fashion. You just keep reciting talking points that fly in the face of reality and call it a debate. That bit is on Brown though.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. DickBased off of a quick google search, he used to have issues with both transgender people and bisexual people, but, as time went on, he became more accepting of them, and he isn't transphobic or biphobic anymore.
To me, that's like saying that homosexual relations are more likely to fall apart because you don't know anyone in a stable, long-term relationship, and you believe that gay people shouldn't get married. Basically, that isn't all for non-monogamy, that's offensive and polyphobic.
To quote an expert on Dan Savage by the name of Dan Savage:
It sounded like Dan was debating Brian, but Brian wasn't debating Dan.
I am quite confident as soon as homosexual rights are furthered, we can have more constructive conversations on things like bisexual, transexual, and polyamorous relationships.
I have gotten a lot of flack from both homosexuals and heterosexuals for being bisexual. The most common flack is "Why can't you just pick one?" The second main form of criticism is my personal taste in partners somehow negating my sexuality: such as me just not being into overly masculine women. I support their choices of expression, but that doesn't mean I have to find them attractive.
As long as there are divisions within the minorities, it's hard for the collective to have a civil and constructive conversation. I would love to see more polyamorous groups come out to show that there is a way to have a positive and healthy relationship like that. I know however, in this current climate, that's like asking for volunteers for the Little Rock Nine.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur

And those are exactly the workplaces where equal pay laws have a hard time taking hold, for the very reasons you mention.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"