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Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.

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Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM

Vericrat Like this, but brown. from .0000001 seconds ago Since: Oct, 2011
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#4226: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:05:35 AM

I can't seem to find anything (on a federal level) saying that political statements made by corporations is protected the same as political statements made by individuals. I do know that commercial speech is not protected the same, but I'm not sure if Chick-fil-A's statements could be construed as commercial speech or not.

They are.

the Government may not suppress political speech on the basis of the speaker's corporate identity. No sufficient governmental interest justifies limits on the political speech of nonprofit or for-profit corporations.

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. 130 S.Ct. 876 at 913 (2010).

edited 2nd Aug '12 9:08:00 AM by Vericrat

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#4227: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:05:56 AM

I agree, that is part of the problem. It's even more of an issue when those political statements find themselves running afoul of local laws on how businesses can operate. In Illinois, a public operator like Chick-Fil-A is not legally allowed to make a protected group feel unwelcome or discriminate against them. This includes gays in Illinois. So do the CEO's statements break Illinois law? Certain corporate policies of the chain certainly do and the alderman here asked that they be changed to get permits.

If he'd made the statements as a private individual and not as speaking for his company it would be one thing. That's obviously protected. It's more complicated when it's a corporation doing it and that corporation is held to certain laws.

edited 2nd Aug '12 9:09:04 AM by shimaspawn

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Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#4228: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:12:41 AM

I made the accusation, not Morven. I made the statement because I believed it was accurate, and I stand by it because I still believe it's accurate. You yourself admit you made the comparison. You are right in that I didn't point out your Godwin-ing of fundies; my apologies, but I don't seem to remember those instances. But maybe we shouldn't be comparing anyone to nazis if they're not an actual nazi.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#4230: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:14:36 AM

@Vericrat: I believe that even the Citizens United ruling imposed certain restrictions on what is and is not "political speech" when coming from a business. It's hard to find out hard facts though, with the Occupy stuff and the Chick-fil-A stuff clogging up my search results.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#4231: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:14:40 AM

I do not have a copy of the article with the actual policy the alderman wanted changed, but it was something from their corporate policies that was clearly discriminatory even if it isn't put into practice by all their franchises. It's just hard to find the exact policy because it's not something that's included in the more recent stories because it's not the bit that anyone is worked up over. It's much easier to show controversy if you get rid of the facts.

edited 2nd Aug '12 9:17:53 AM by shimaspawn

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#4232: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:15:13 AM

[up][up][up] If evidence of that comes up, I would have no problem with Chick-Fil-A being booted out of the US.

edited 2nd Aug '12 9:15:38 AM by deathpigeon

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#4234: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:17:42 AM

[up] Popeye's is better. tongue

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#4236: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:22:05 AM

[up] I haven't been to a Popeye's since I moved from Oklahoma. I miss it though. [lol]

There's a lack of fried-chicken joints up here. Even KFC is hard to find. I won't be going to the kiss-in though, because the only Chick-fil-A in town is in Western's food court, and you have to be a student to get in.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#4237: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:23:20 AM

I'm single. tongue And kissing strangers in public isn't my thing. Besides, I strongly doubt there will be a protest in my area.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#4238: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:25:36 AM

I'm not going to the kissing thing because the nearest Chick-Fil-A is a town away, and the nearest person I'm dating is even further.

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#4240: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:31:53 AM

Drunk Girlfriend, I'll send you some Popeye's.smile

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#4241: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:34:27 AM

[up][up] I'm dating 6 people. All of the relationships are long distance, unfortunately. The nearest one lives in the Northern part of my state (Colorado), while I live in the central part. The furthest one lives in Belarus.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#4242: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:37:36 AM

@Gabrael: Yay! [lol]

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
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#4245: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:41:22 AM

Going back to what Lance was bringing up, how HIV/AIDS sufferers are now no longer barred from entering the country:

It was initially implimented because of the medical costs predicted.

Now, the cost is still an issue, but they're putting the morality of the situation first.

I don't have a television, so I am asking my fellow tropers, how big of a deal is the media making this out to be if at all?

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#4247: Aug 2nd 2012 at 9:50:39 AM

This is big news for the LGBT community. Families can be united now, people can get better medical treatment.

AIDS/HIV is still stigmatized to be a homosexual problem or an African problem. The more we talk about it and explain it's a human problem.

If we can discuss how the virus works, treat more people, then the more doors we open to united the demographics

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#4249: Aug 2nd 2012 at 10:30:09 AM

I've only really seen the Rachel Maddow show run anything on it. Not to say nobody else has noticed, but It's not really a thing yet, AFAIK.

Inb4 'this is just the Latest attempt to subjugate straight, christian families under the shackles of the 'gay disease' and further the Gay Agenda'

Just to have a lighthearted ending to Chik-Fil-A For now before we continue onto more pressing topics

edited 2nd Aug '12 10:39:40 AM by Lanceleoghauni

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#4250: Aug 2nd 2012 at 10:58:14 AM

I find it depressing that half the comments on that Huckabee article are people accusing him of being "too wishy washy" or accusing all liberals of being intolerant nazi bigots. with absolutely no irony about it or even the lightest cognizance theyre spewing hate speech at our side.


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