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Discussion of religion in the context of LGBTQ+ rights is only allowed in the LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion Thread.

Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.

Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.

Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#4151: Aug 1st 2012 at 8:40:41 PM

@Starship: The article should have said "more than a dozen successful lawsuits", which is actually pretty terrible.

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Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#4152: Aug 1st 2012 at 8:42:02 PM

Starship, you didn't answer my question and you're being argumentative when it doesn't have to be.

I wasn't referring to gay rights, I was referring to denying certain businesses and you know it.

I will ask you again: would you still defend Chick-fil-la as vigorously as you are even after we have presented the case isn't as cut and dry as you imply, if the didn't share the same belief on homosexuality as you?

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Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#4153: Aug 1st 2012 at 8:42:50 PM

What? Who the hell is squashing who's First Amendment rights? I can lose my job because my employers don't approve of my "lifestyle" because of some 2000+ year old books. You'll forgive me if I don't shed tears because some company sells a few less sandwiches, I hope.

edited 1st Aug '12 8:46:41 PM by Morgikit

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#4155: Aug 1st 2012 at 9:02:15 PM

Except that this isn't about anything you're talking about, Starship. This is about a company being denied a permit over a history of activity that is illegal in the area that they're trying to move into. I have stated the law they're breaking in Illinois. It is not a law that is in place in most of the states they do business in. Thus the criminal proceedings are limited to Illinois at the moment.

The big issue right now is finding online sources because there's a huge signal to noise ratio of puff pieces on the issue right now. That makes it really hard to find that actual facts by just Googling them.

edited 1st Aug '12 9:08:46 PM by shimaspawn

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Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#4156: Aug 1st 2012 at 9:03:47 PM

Don't you dare try to use me to support your agenda.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#4157: Aug 1st 2012 at 9:54:18 PM

Starship, you're doing that thing where you're being needlessly argumentative, stubborn, and wrong again.

We've been over a number of times how your "feelings" on an issue don't actually matter. Fact does.

The fact is, the thing you're freaking out about? the "people being able to lose their jobs because of what they think/say/do?

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST. We are not trying to run "christian business" out of town, we are trying to prevent them from forcing their moralizing on their employees. Religious Dogma and superstitious prejudice should be kept within the confines of the appropriate location of worship. It should not have any power whatsoever in the general populace.

edited 1st Aug '12 10:00:21 PM by Lanceleoghauni

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
#4158: Aug 1st 2012 at 9:59:57 PM

As many here fail to realize,

Why do you always start arguments with stuff like this? One of the most frustrating things about arguing with you, Maxima, is that you start out every argument with this horribly unnecessary slap in the face.

"What you aren't getting..."

"What many here fail to..."

Et cetera, et cetera.

It's really unnecessary and uncivil. If your retort proves the person wrong, let it do so. You don't have to start out insulting the person.

edited 1st Aug '12 10:00:36 PM by KingZeal

saintbraeburn Saint Braeburn: from Dysfunctional California Since: Jun, 2012
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#4159: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:00:09 PM

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Has there been any reported cases of them forcing their moralizing on their employees?

edited 1st Aug '12 10:00:46 PM by saintbraeburn

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#4160: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:00:54 PM

all the women who were replaced by men so they could be "stay at home moms"?

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saintbraeburn Saint Braeburn: from Dysfunctional California Since: Jun, 2012
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#4161: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:03:04 PM

[up]

Gotta link?

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#4162: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:03:04 PM

http://pansexualpride.tumblr.com/post/28531849935/tw-racism-violence-homophobia

Yippee.

Got it from the LGBT thread, to note.

edited 1st Aug '12 10:03:27 PM by Hydronix

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saintbraeburn Saint Braeburn: from Dysfunctional California Since: Jun, 2012
Saint Braeburn:
#4163: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:04:23 PM

[up]

That could be a coincidence.

Texas is a big place.

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Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#4164: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:08:02 PM

The tumblr's point is to actually get the attention and figure out what happened. It may not be a hate crime, but a Black Lesbian... smells fishy to me.

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saintbraeburn Saint Braeburn: from Dysfunctional California Since: Jun, 2012
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#4166: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:23:34 PM

[up]

Okay, so they've persecuted employees for being pregnant females, but is there any record of them prosecuting employees for being gay or Bi?

If this was boycott about Chick-Fil-A's sexism that would be fine, but that's not what this boycott is about.

edited 1st Aug '12 10:24:35 PM by saintbraeburn

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#4167: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:28:01 PM

my understanding was that the boycott, by and large, was against using the excuse of religion to justify discrimination.

Based on that, the Comment on marriage was merely the catalyst.

edited 1st Aug '12 10:28:17 PM by Lanceleoghauni

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#4168: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:30:19 PM

[up][up] Not employees, but their charity branch, WinShape prohibits same-sex couples from attending their marriage retreats. Also, note that that article was published in January of 2011, so this has been going on for a while now.

The media's only now taken notice, and it's only now gotten to be a big thing.

edited 1st Aug '12 10:31:06 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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saintbraeburn Saint Braeburn: from Dysfunctional California Since: Jun, 2012
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#4169: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:37:35 PM

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I fail to see how religion was used to justify Chick-fil-A's sexism.

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Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#4170: Aug 1st 2012 at 10:43:19 PM

They push fundamental Christian values which includes the traditional nuclear family complete with Leave it to Beaver gender roles.

It's not the only Christian interpretaton in the world, but it's the one they advocate.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#4171: Aug 1st 2012 at 11:44:07 PM

Can this thread move on from Chick Fil-A, please? It's become a sucking mire of an issue where the ban on the store (though not the boycott) turns out to not, actually, be related to the president's homophobic donations, but to violation of women's expressly-granted civil rights.

edited 1st Aug '12 11:44:43 PM by Ramidel

saintbraeburn Saint Braeburn: from Dysfunctional California Since: Jun, 2012
Saint Braeburn:
#4172: Aug 2nd 2012 at 12:30:32 AM

[up] Got anything better to discuss?

edited 2nd Aug '12 12:30:44 AM by saintbraeburn

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Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#4173: Aug 2nd 2012 at 12:32:41 AM

The fact that there was an AIDS summit held in DC is a big one, since it means that people with HIV/AIDS are no longer barred from entry into the country.

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Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#4174: Aug 2nd 2012 at 5:42:25 AM

People with HIV/AIDS were barred from entering the country?

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#4175: Aug 2nd 2012 at 6:00:03 AM

yes utterly unsurprising that you didn't know about it, *I* didn't know about it until just a day or two ago.

edited 2nd Aug '12 6:00:31 AM by Lanceleoghauni

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