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#1: May 25th 2011 at 3:07:49 AM

Right now the trope seems to cover two distinct things.

  1. One step up from stick figures like what the page image covers.
  2. The Animated counterpart to Hollywood Thin where characters are Animesque or realistically drawn but thin and with sharp angles in their features (popularized by Clamp) and contrasted by Puni Plush. (pretty sure this was the original purpose of the trope)

Example of the second type.

edited 25th May '11 3:40:18 AM by Raso

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#2: May 25th 2011 at 7:24:54 AM

I'd say it's splittable, yeah. Definitely two different styles there. Noodle People was apparently originally a reference to CLAMP character design, so the other version needs a new name.

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#3: May 25th 2011 at 9:55:56 AM

I am fine with a split and I think that Noodle People should remain the name for the appearances popularized by CLAMP. Still, I do not believe that it needs to be an animation (or anime/manga) only trope. For example, I think the art examples fit the second definition of Noodle People pretty well, but they are obviously not animated.

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#4: May 25th 2011 at 9:57:08 AM

The split looks good to me. As for that pic... gyah! And I always thought CLAMP's art style looked wrong. That just takes it to a whole new level. I'm going to see that in my nightmares now.

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#5: May 25th 2011 at 10:13:32 AM

The pic isnt a Clamp work its from Oniichan No Koto Nanka Zenzen Suki Janain Dakara Ne the most explicit example of this I had on hand.

edited 25th May '11 5:25:59 PM by Raso

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#6: May 25th 2011 at 10:32:07 AM

The page image isn't one step up from stick figures. Johnny The Homicidal Maniac is drawn in the same style that CLAMP popularized, it's just exaggerated. It's actually one of the main influences of the comic and it was that comic that coined the term Noodle People. The only real difference is the chins.

edited 25th May '11 10:34:16 AM by shimaspawn

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#7: May 25th 2011 at 11:42:09 AM

Eh? It certainly doesn't look like it at all it literally looks like one step up from stick figures.

Soo get rid of that "Essentially, one step up from stick figures." Line a little cleanup and put a less extreme image on the page? (maybe the one I put in the OP? I should open a Image Picking thread then I guess.)

edited 25th May '11 12:01:52 PM by Raso

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#8: May 25th 2011 at 2:41:00 PM

I like having an exaggerated picture better. It shows off the idea of the trope better. People have a tendency to misuse tropes like this is we use less extreme image pages. Besides, it shows it happening outside of anime when people almost always mentally associate it with that.

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#9: May 25th 2011 at 2:43:19 PM

Not really such an extreme example is one step up from stickfigures which isnt this trope these guys have to have detail and are just Hollywood Thin but animated. While that is lacking features, detail and other things. And its 70% Anime examples why shouldnt it be an image? The trope was created as a counterpart to Puni Plush.

edited 25th May '11 2:47:07 PM by Raso

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#10: May 25th 2011 at 5:05:51 PM

It was named for western comics. The current image has detailed body parts. It has fingers, hands, a torso, knees, details on the boots. It's quite far removed from stick figures. The page was created for people with the sort of build the current image has. It was named after it. It wasn't created as just an anime trope. I don't see why you're trying to lop off the bits that aren't anime when they're the basis of the trope.

edited 25th May '11 5:07:39 PM by shimaspawn

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#11: May 25th 2011 at 5:06:51 PM

Eh?

  • The Trope Namer is a Fan Nickname for characters drawn by CLAMP. This style is most noticeable in xxxHolic and Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle. Though not a style used in their earlier works, the stereotype has already set in, with these two being their most popular recent works. To a lesser extent, it's still there in their older stuff (e.g. Tokyo Babylon), which has occasionally been toned down due to the difficulty of animating. It's just closer to being in line with the rest of anime's skinny, skinny waifs. It also turns up in Code Geass, which is not terribly surprising, considering its characters were designed by CLAMP.

edited 25th May '11 5:10:59 PM by Raso

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#12: May 25th 2011 at 5:09:32 PM

The term was coined before that in Johnny The Homicidal Maniac and then spread to the anime fandom thanks to the fact that they had similar demographics in the US. The article is wrong and the term is older than it thinks. It was obviously written by someone who hasn't been in the fandom long enough to know better. Pity.

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#13: May 25th 2011 at 5:11:47 PM

Not really I am pretty sure that this was an anime first and the trope namers started this in the early 90s and actual examples go back as far as the early 70s.

On the image look at the hands they expand out if it was truely this trope they would be inline with the rest of the body also other details such as shading, tone, arnt right and facial structure are not this trope as they are round this trope everything has to be quite angular Noodle people is a specific style.

But whatever its plain giving the wrong impression of what the trope is about and how its used with SD and taken to such extremes.... use two images? One SD taken to the extreme thats not shared with many other examples and one with what the trope is actually about.

edited 25th May '11 5:41:27 PM by Raso

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#14: May 25th 2011 at 5:54:29 PM

Well, can you give examples of both definitions?

And now you got me reading whatever was in the image you have in the first post. I'm so...

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#15: May 25th 2011 at 6:16:26 PM

lets see Type 1 The Nightmare Before Christmas, Xiao Xiao, Salad Fingers, Johnny The Homicidal Maniac are ones I know directly.

Everything else (Hollywood Thin, Angular or prominent but Realistic Features) would be traditional ones such as Clamp, Code Geass, Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei,ect. Lupin III would appear to be the trope maker.

edited 25th May '11 6:17:07 PM by Raso

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#16: May 25th 2011 at 6:32:54 PM

Xiao Xiao is just Stick Figures. Not Noodle People.

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#17: May 25th 2011 at 6:35:05 PM

Well then that's misuse then deleted off the page.

Seriously that "One step up from stickfigures" and page image that is so close to that is leading to misuse and misunderstanding of the trope.... its minor right now but its probably going to get worse.

edited 25th May '11 7:27:18 PM by Raso

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#18: May 26th 2011 at 1:59:16 AM

I agree with Raso here. The two styles seems definitively different to me. And Johnny The Homicidal Maniac certainly looks like "one step up from stick person" to me as well.

At very best, the description seriously need rewriting. It alienate 90% of the anime examples (only Xxx HO Li C fits it, barely). We neithe either a split or a reworking to make it more inclusive.

edited 26th May '11 2:58:43 PM by Heatth

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#19: May 26th 2011 at 3:39:31 AM

I think the reason why there are even animated examples on Hollywood Thin that should be here is because people are reading that line and seeing the page image and thinking it must be only those types.

And thoughts on a rewrite... Type 2 is the true Hollywood Thin types that are mostly in Romance, Shōjo artstyle or Yaoi Fangirl / Ho Yay bait ect that attract more mature girls to the characters (Ore Imo's Kuroneko exemplifies this very well with her love of her Code Geass Expy) guys are usually watching for other reasons again contrasted by Puni Plush which is mostly Slice of Life, Rule of Cute or Yuri Fangirl bait which gets young girls as well as older guys (Kuroneko's rival covers that too).

Type 1 is more Emo or Gothic, visually dark and such as the page description covers and I guess a type 3 the absurdly cartoony like the black and white Disney cartoons with no joints. (rare as hell passed the 1940s)

edited 26th May '11 4:09:47 AM by Raso

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#20: May 26th 2011 at 7:03:52 AM

Hmm... I'm still not sure that I see the distinctions being more familiar with what you're trying to split off into type one. It's not really what you're describing at all. It's not always emo or goth. It's just the same style with Western chins.

edited 26th May '11 7:06:19 AM by shimaspawn

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#21: May 26th 2011 at 7:27:33 AM

The page itself says goth and emo. I haven't actually seen any of these except for the The Nightmare Before Chrismas which follows that to the letter and the rest of the examples I look up with the 'one step up from stick figures' seem to follow the Jack Skellington type including the page image.

And as I said above the Anime Thin and Type 1 are completely different.

edited 26th May '11 9:09:10 AM by Raso

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#22: May 26th 2011 at 2:55:33 PM

[up]Xxx HO Li C fit the 'goth and emo' style as well. It was the first thing I thought when reading it. Some shinigamis from Death Note, bore notable Ryuk also goes there.

(what a pain it is to get Xxx HO Li C to be displayed correctly)

edited 26th May '11 2:58:19 PM by Heatth

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#23: May 26th 2011 at 3:05:46 PM

[up][up] No the page says it seems to be rather popular in gothic and emo art.. That's not limiting the trope those particular genres.

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#24: Jun 5th 2011 at 8:34:40 PM

[up] Type 2 used very rarely in those. Those are used in Shōjo, Romance and Boys' Love or Ho Yay Subtext for the Yaoi Fan Girls (these are also used for Bishounen and are ment to look pretty.) Contrasted by Puni Plush which is the Moe art style, compare Hollywood Thin.

Type 1 is used in Goth and Emo and are not pretty at all. And can not be a contrast to Puni Plush.

Two completely different things as I have been trying to explain in my posts here.

We could Hard split it Anime Thin vs One Step Up From Stick Figures (what I would like) or soft split it explaining the two types as well as two images attached to each other saying type 1 and type 2) they are very distinct enough for it.

edited 5th Jun '11 9:12:37 PM by Raso

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#25: Jun 5th 2011 at 9:11:52 PM

[up] So then why not simply change the description to take note of the fact that this trope is used in those genres you mentioned to a less exaggerated degree. As shimaspawn said the trope picture is an exaggerated form of this trope to get the point across, not every example has to be that thin.

Either I'm missing something or you're not saying that something because I don't see any reason for a split.

edited 5th Jun '11 9:22:38 PM by captainpat

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