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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#201: May 18th 2019 at 5:17:20 PM

[up][up] Wait which is the drop off, after 2 or at 2?

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#202: May 18th 2019 at 5:20:39 PM

At.

Daigo is one of the worst written characters in the series and from what I hear things don't improve much with 3. 4 in particular is especially poorly regarded ( there's a plot point involving a character who unknowingly fired rubber bullets at a bunch of assassination targets that were than killed immediately after by someone else anyway, just so that all the playable characters can lack body counts.) in terms of writing and story.

They're all fun games, don't get me wrong. And the stories are entertaining the way a kind of campy seinen anime is. They're just not that good.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#203: May 18th 2019 at 5:27:30 PM

I dunno, I though Yakuza Kiwami was pretty damn awesome in terms of its complicated crazy political conspiracy. The plot isn't really any that weirder than the Jack Reacher or Tom Clancy novels, only they have a Japanese Hitman with a Heart as its protagonist.

Mind you, it's bullshit that Haruka and Kiyru survived that explosion. They should have had him shut the door to the bomb.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#204: May 18th 2019 at 5:32:39 PM

You honestly can't go wrong with either of them. However, if you plan on getting Kiwami 2, playing 0 first will make some things make more sense.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#205: May 18th 2019 at 6:41:37 PM

May I ask how the series goes down for future installments?

Mostly, again, because I really liked Yakuza Kiwami's storytelling.

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#206: May 18th 2019 at 6:57:49 PM

If you liked Kiwami's than as far as you'd be concerned it doesn't.

They're all pretty similar to it in terms of writing and a lot of the same story beats and concepts are there, sans Kiryu's childhood friend being one of the villains on account of his being dead.

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#207: May 18th 2019 at 7:01:39 PM

In addition, the sidequests get more and more bizarre as the series goes on, so if you like that sort of thing, that's an incentive.

[down]I know.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on May 18th 2019 at 10:51:43 AM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#208: May 18th 2019 at 7:34:15 PM

[up]The side quests are one of the best parts though. Even Fist of the North Star: Lost Paradise realized that.

Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#209: May 18th 2019 at 11:26:04 PM

club cabaret could be its own anime and I would watch it.

Seeing Yuki's final form in Kiwami 2 was amazing. I was so proud.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#210: May 19th 2019 at 9:28:10 AM

The Yakuza series really changed my view on how side quests and side content should be handled in big name titles. Just from 0 and Kiwami alone, I finally get to see where title like Dragon Age Inquisition fall apart due to how they handle similar features.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#211: May 19th 2019 at 1:25:03 PM

I am very happy about all the sidequest content as it is a hilarious collection of awesome craziness. I've decided to do 2 first then 0 because I think it'll allow me to appreciate the in-jokes in 0 better.

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Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#212: May 19th 2019 at 11:03:28 PM

I think Kiwami 2 works better after playing 0 first, mainly because of majima's side story and how kiwami 2's carbaret story is a sequel to the first game's.

Also Majima is great haha.

Also confession, I actually died against Daigo twice in Kiwami 2. Mr. Shakedown and 1st Kuze in Zero were the only bosses I died against in that game(just once for Kuze) so losing to the first boss in Kiwami 2 twice in a row was kind of demoralizing lol. Haven't lost since except against the jerk with the white suit and fedora in the coliseum who kept tiger dropping me.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#213: May 21st 2019 at 4:17:21 AM

Well, I decided to play Kiwami 2 and I'm undecided as I just finished the first fight against Ryoji (I think that's his name) and that was a Difficulty Spike beyond my wildest imagination. Everything previous had been very easy so I hadn't put an investment in lots of teas and drinks. I ended up having to redo the level beforehand to stock up and then "Skyrim Potion Spammed" the battle.

So far I'm not entirely sold on this game's story as I don't really have much of an attachment to the Tojo clan due to the fact, well, they were a bunch of scumbags who tried to murder me with the exception of Kazama. It's also probably one of those Values Dissonance things that I'm supposed to be nice to Daigo versus telling him, "Yeah, I probably would have murdered your dad for trying to rape my girlfriend but my best friend got to him first."

Mind you, headcanon or not, I think Daigo is fully aware what kind of piece of crap his dad was.

The game so far hasn't really lit up the way the previous one did even if it is pretty damn gorgeous.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#214: May 21st 2019 at 5:25:06 AM

Honestly, once Ryuji shows up, that's when things start getting good.

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#215: May 21st 2019 at 8:56:37 AM

Can't stress enough how much Daigo drags the story down.

I wanted to chalk him up to values dissonance, and that's a big part of it, but even Japanese stories follow basic principles like character development, which never happens to Daigo in at least this game. What you see is what you get.

Including his being Ryuji's apparently years long punching bag.

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#216: May 21st 2019 at 6:37:53 PM

So, I downloaded the remake of Yakuza 1 about last year and I'm about to get back to playing it since the last time I played it, I only got as far as the mosh-pit in the host's club.

So, does anybody have any advice for a person who has not touched Yakuza 0?

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Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#217: May 21st 2019 at 10:28:41 PM

I actually don't hate daigo that much? So far he's relatively inoffensive.

I think the story gets better later on(especially when an old favorite shows up in one of my favorite scenes) but so far none of its high points have hit the highs of 0 or 6. Still the story at is paced better than 0's, which for kiryu's portion felt like it took a long time to get interesting and I found outright boring even until awano took stage. Majima's sections were always good even if sawawhatever is one of the most unlikable characters in the franchise IMO.

Ironically so far out of the 3 games I've played I've kinda enjoyed 6's story the most? Even if the last say 4th of it was a bit off rails a bit in being believable it felt the most consistently engaging and has the best cast.

Edited by Vertigo_High on May 23rd 2019 at 6:46:07 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#218: May 23rd 2019 at 4:52:34 PM

http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2019/05/yakuza-kiwami-review.html

Here's my review of the first game.

Really enjoyed it.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#219: Jun 20th 2019 at 6:46:45 AM

Initial reviews are coming in for Yakuza spin-off Judgment and they seem pretty positive.

Also, Fighting Vipers as a mini game.

Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#220: Jun 22nd 2019 at 6:32:44 AM

OOO Oh fighting vipers? Huh fun fact, but I think that game had the first black woman in a fighting game. I used to like Picky and Candy the most when I was little, and Mahler even though he was an SNK Boss. He was still pretty darn cool at least to like, 6-7 year old me.

Actually I recall liking most of the cast, except Sanman, and usually used them over the VF dudes in Fighters Megamix. Oh and actually I remember Tokio sucking HARD but it could be a case of being a skill gate character.

Also Bahn was my first exposure to Jojo before I even knew Jojo existed lol.

Edited by Vertigo_High on Jun 22nd 2019 at 6:36:04 AM

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#222: Jun 24th 2019 at 3:36:56 PM

So where would be a good place to start this series? I know they're in the same continuity, but a little fuzzy on the specifics and quality from game to game.

Emperordaein Grant us eyes from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
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#223: Jun 24th 2019 at 3:51:54 PM

Since I don't reccomnend trying to hunt down the PS 2 originals unless you have the console (And I wouldn't reccomend playing the original 1, it's rough) I would say 0, then Kiwami. It gets a bit trickier from there. Play Kiwami 2 to continue the story, but know that it's the second entry on RGG Studio's next Gen engine, and that the subsequent games you'll play will be on the previous one, and in Yakuza 6's case is more unrefined. Japan has gotten remastered re-releases of 3-5, but we don't know when they'll be coming west. And Judgment is completely isolated storywise from the mainline series, so you can just jump straight into that.

Edited by Emperordaein on Jun 24th 2019 at 8:52:07 PM

A corpse should be left well enough alone...
Emperordaein Grant us eyes from Australia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
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#224: Jul 16th 2019 at 2:29:17 AM

So a heads up, if you have not finished Judgment, do NOT look at the Nightmare Fuel page, because the picture someone put as the page image is a huge spoiler for the end of the game. Hell, I should probably remove it.

A corpse should be left well enough alone...
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#225: Jul 16th 2019 at 5:58:33 AM

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Hell, I should probably remove it.

Just spoiler it. Heck, add a caption that says "Darker and Edgier than your average Yakuza game".


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