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GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#751: May 29th 2014 at 4:13:40 PM

To be fair, that point really only existed in the first 15 minutes, which, in my opinion, weren't the best minutes of the movie.

Bonus points for who said that about humans.

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Yuanchosaan antic disposition from Australia Since: Jan, 2010
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#752: May 29th 2014 at 4:59:14 PM

Just curious. Is there ever a time where that kind of environmentalist thing ever been translated well into a movie conflict?

Princess Mononoke?

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#753: May 29th 2014 at 5:14:29 PM

Once Upon A Forest? That South Park episode in the rainforest?

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#754: May 29th 2014 at 5:32:02 PM

The original Lorax cartoon?

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#756: May 29th 2014 at 6:09:36 PM

The original point was "man is inherently a corrupting force" which doesn't apply to any of those, because they have a nuanced view of the issue.

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#757: May 29th 2014 at 6:14:13 PM

I think those other ones were meant as a warning for us to rein ourselves in.

This one's meant to make a truly evil character into a good guy, which is just bullshit and I'm happy I read all 31 pages of this one and found that out so I can avoid this pile of rubble.

Wake me up when Hollywood grows some balls and follows a truly evil monster around as the central character.

FigmentJedi Since: Jan, 2001
#758: May 29th 2014 at 6:21:48 PM

They're not moving the plot either, that still falls on Phillip.

Prince Phillip doesn't really move the story either. He's basically a prop. The good fairies do the bulk of the work in the climax to get him out of the dungeons and to the castle and guide the sword they gave him to hit its mark all like they're playing a game of Dragons Lair with a real person.

Additionally, it's the animosity between the good fairies and Maleficent that set things into motion what with Merryweather being the one to end up provoking Maleficent in the first place, the fairies taking the initiative to take care of Aurora by themselves, and as mentioned earlier, the fairies being the ones to save the Prince and use him to save Aurora.

edited 29th May '14 6:22:06 PM by FigmentJedi

WarriorEowyn from Victoria Since: Oct, 2010
#759: May 29th 2014 at 6:29:42 PM

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Why? Why do we need Hollywood to do that when some of the most prominent shows on television (Breaking Bad, Dexter) already do so? What is so enthralling about watching evil people be evil?

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#760: May 29th 2014 at 6:36:49 PM

Probably because it's tiring always good people. I've always found the villains to be the more interesting characters.

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#761: May 29th 2014 at 6:39:18 PM

XD Really? No, no they don't. Not really. I'm not talking about people starting from necessity, or plying their evilness to do what justice can't. I mean a true monster who does NOTHING but harm others, does nothing good at all, and in the end, dies. Yet we follow them from start to finish. IIRC, doesn't Dexter murder other serial killers? And I heard about how Breaking Bad starts. The Meth making chemistry teacher started because he had cancer and couldn't afford treatment. How about a movie where the central character is a Demon from the very getgo and never gets redeemed? That's what Maleficent was SUPPOSED to be. Not some woman who just wanted to save her forest from an evil King.

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#762: May 29th 2014 at 6:47:08 PM

How about a movie where the central character is a Demon from the very getgo and never gets redeemed?

Um, because that's fucking stupid, and there's no arc involved.

I wanted this movie to be an explanation of why she was evil, not a explanation that she's not really evil.

edited 29th May '14 6:47:14 PM by kalel94

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#763: May 29th 2014 at 6:50:41 PM

Yeah characters that are flatly unambiguously evil get really really boring fast.

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#764: May 29th 2014 at 6:53:56 PM

Unless you have a really good secondary cast? Maybe not a movie where the central figure is the one growing, but maybe everyone else reacting to them is. We didn't need a damn explanation for Maleficent. She was the Satan figure in a symbolic movie. She simply was just evil, created that way from the getgo. She really was exactly what I'd described until this came along and shat on it.

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#765: May 29th 2014 at 6:57:35 PM

[up] and [up][up] Agreed. I'd imagine a movie just about a laughing psychopath who'd been that way from the start may not be interesting. Throw in the cops who want to chase him, the escapes and all that, trying to figure him out and why he does it, and it adds a little more.

100% evil characters become so non-human in their unrelatability that they probably need to be given a Godzilla treatment in a movie - a force, rather than a character.

edited 29th May '14 6:58:52 PM by Nadir

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#766: May 29th 2014 at 7:02:15 PM

Exactly. I want a movie where the secondary characters are carrying the whole thing and the central figure we follow is a complete shit who even drives his or her own followers away so when the fucker dies at the end, the entire crowd's cheering before running for the brain bleach.

Just because it's not been done well, if at all, before.

CharlestonMan Since: Mar, 2013
#767: May 29th 2014 at 8:19:13 PM

I want a movie where the secondary characters are carrying the whole thing and the central figure we follow is a complete shit who even drives his or her own followers away so when the fucker dies at the end, the entire crowd's cheering before running for the brain bleach.

That's being worked on: Shane Black's Death Note film (heck, the two Japanese films did this too). He has mentioned that he is very adamant about Light being maintained as becoming truly evil, as opposed to a sympathetic anti-hero that the studio initially wanted to turn him into.

edited 29th May '14 8:19:48 PM by CharlestonMan

WarriorEowyn from Victoria Since: Oct, 2010
#768: May 29th 2014 at 8:19:47 PM

Watch The Dark Knight and think of the Joker as the main character, and you've pretty much got that.

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#769: May 29th 2014 at 8:31:37 PM

That'll have to do.

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#771: May 29th 2014 at 8:54:39 PM

[up]Yep, and it's being done by Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang Best Movie Ever at the helm, apparently.

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#772: May 30th 2014 at 12:32:43 AM

My butt is definitely clenched in my seat for THAT movie. grin[awesome]

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#773: May 30th 2014 at 12:50:56 AM

"I wanted this movie to be an explanation of why she was evil, not a explanation that she's not really evil."

And that's why Wicked works better too. I just got out of the show (Wicked, not Maleficent) an hour ago so its all still clear in my mind.

And, Elphaba, though very very sympathetic, does become Wicked by the end; She unapologetically kidnaps and terrorizes a little girl in the second to final scene of the musical. I do wish the musical had an opportunity for her to be slightly more malicious, but she still does hit the title of Wicked before the end.

Maleficent just simply does and most of her actions, by Fantasy-Hero Logic, are justified. And that's not who Maleficent is.

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#774: May 30th 2014 at 1:26:06 AM

I didn't even need an explanation why she was evil....I only needed to see her BE evil. The movie could have been about the impact her actions have on the land, about the suffering of Aurora's parents, about the sacrifices the three fairies made in all those years - it could have filled some blanks while allowing Maleficent to wield her power.

Trying to explain her was a bad idea from the get go...if they really had to make a movie about a character who doesn't need further explanation, they should at least have respected the character.

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#775: May 30th 2014 at 5:38:08 AM

Okay, now that I'm on my laptop instead of my phone, some spoiler reviews here.

There are certain things that are really blatantly forshadowed, but the biggest one was Maleficent getting her wings back. About halfway through the movie you can see Stefan talk to her wings, like, literally, he keeps it as a trophy, and at that point I figured she'd get them back somehow. Seriously, it's that predictable.

Also, Philip really was fucking useless in this movie. He comes in, meets Aurora, then gets abducted by Maleficent so that he could deliver his true love's kiss to Aurora, and then when that doesn't work he gets shoved out of the castle until the final scene where Aurora and Philip hook up at the Moors.

The biggest flag however that tipped me off that Maleficent would turn out good in the end was the kiss scene. Philip gives Aurora a kiss, and then nothing happens. At that point I knew that Maleficent would just kiss her on the forehead and Aurora would wake up. At that point I threw my hands up in the air.

And then Stefan pulls a typical badguy routine, where he would attack the hero and fall to his death because of that. Like, seriously? Are you that stupid to just charge at a re-winged Maleficent? Oh, we're on top of a spire, let's just get up when Maleficent spares my life and then charge to her. I mean, what can go wrong? It's not like she can fly? Oop, she can! My mistake!

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