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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#226: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:05:51 PM

The only one I see that problem with is most of the elves, with the exeption of Arya and possibly Oromis.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#227: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:07:23 PM

Eragon's Designated Hero Syndrom. How do you not see it?

edited 13th Jun '11 9:07:45 PM by CyganAngel

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#228: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:17:49 PM

His designated hero status is only if you work really hard to Paint the Hero Black

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snowfoxofdeath Thou errant flap-dragon! from San Francisco Suburb Since: Apr, 2012
LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#230: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:23:52 PM

Well... his treatment of Sloan was rather unfair. I would say that he was letting his old dislike of Sloan get in the way of what was the just thing to do, which while understandable isn't terribly noble.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#231: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:24:35 PM

One. He gets pissed off at Murtagh for killing the slaver, only to turn around and behead a soldier- a drafted soldier- while the soldier is begging for mercy and then fleeing for his life. He states that he can't risk it, but they are miles away from town. Eragon could have been dozens of miles away before the man could even GET to town, let alone the time it takes to contact Murtagh and the travel time for Murtagh.

Two. He commits genocide upon a species. Regardless of their repugnancy, that's genocide. And then, he refuses to let them be remembered. That is committing genocide and then wiping them out of history.

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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#232: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:27:51 PM

Not disagreeing with you on Eragon's morality, but was it genocide? I thought there were more Ra'zac across the sea. And if there wasn't, it looks like the species was already pretty dead to me, because there was only 4 of them.

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snowfoxofdeath Thou errant flap-dragon! from San Francisco Suburb Since: Apr, 2012
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#233: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:29:30 PM

Before he ever considered the possibility of Urgals having minds, hearts, and souls, he slaughtered them as mindlessly as if they were cattle. Okay, he stopped that after they joined the Varden, but he's still uncomfortable around them. Thus, our hero is a racist.

BUT WAIT! Anyone would be racist after hearing all those stories about Urgals and only now realizing that they are okay.

Being a racist humanizes Eragon. Humans are not heroes, using the definition "one who embodies the noble values of a culture". Part of this story is Eragon's growing-up, though, and that's part of it.

edited 13th Jun '11 9:34:00 PM by snowfoxofdeath

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#234: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:32:05 PM

From what I can find on the Inheritance Wiki:

The last two Ra'zac to live before the extinction of their race in Alagaësia (as well as the remaining two Lethrblaka) were servants of Galbatorix, living in their black towers at Helgrind.

And he also stayed behind to kill any eggs he found.

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#235: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:32:57 PM

Rascism is bad, but he recognizes his failings in regard to that in the books.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#236: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:35:36 PM

But does not overcome it. An acknowledged flaw is not an overcome flaw.

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snowfoxofdeath Thou errant flap-dragon! from San Francisco Suburb Since: Apr, 2012
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#237: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:37:09 PM

See edit. Yay!

Also, I might not be remembering this correctly, but he's not exactly being passionate to Murtagh or his situation.

More edits: He was "BAAAWWW" in Eldest after their fight and after Murtagh explains the hopelessness of their situation in Brisingr, Eragon gives him no mercy. And I doubt he won't do the same the next time they meet, considering what happened to Oromis.

edited 13th Jun '11 10:00:54 PM by snowfoxofdeath

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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#238: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:42:31 PM

The last of the Ra'zac in Alagaesia, yeah, so maybe there are some over the ocean. I guess Eragon doesn't know that, though.

edited 13th Jun '11 9:45:31 PM by LoniJay

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#239: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:43:56 PM

Acknowledging a flaw is not the same as overcoming it, but it is the first step. And he would hardly be an interesting protagonist if he wasn't humanized in some way.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#240: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:44:34 PM

Please acknowledge any of the other points made.

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#241: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:49:27 PM

What were those points again? It would make it much simpler if you could put it in list form.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#242: Jun 13th 2011 at 9:55:26 PM

  • His treatment of Sloan.
  • Killing a drafted soldier who was fleeing for his life, after yelling at Murtagh in an earlier book for killing a slaver in the same situation.
  • Committing genocide (It may not be genocide, but as far as Eragon knows it is.)
  • Racism
  • Attempting to kill Murtagh after Murtagh has been bound to serve Galbatori, and refusing to show mercy after Murtagh did.

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#243: Jun 13th 2011 at 10:07:23 PM

(forgive me if I take a while to reply to all of those, it's late and I need to leave soon)

In regard to his treatment of Sloan, admittedly he was a bit harsh, but what else should he have done? If he would have taken him back to the Varden with him, I doubt the rest of the villagers would have let him get away with killing Byrd and betraying them to the Ra'zaac, and just think of the grief that would have caused Katrina . And leaving him in that prison would have been even crueler than what he did. The only options left were either kill him himself, or to do what he ended up doing.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#244: Jun 13th 2011 at 10:14:01 PM

Or, you know, heal him first? So that he at least has eyes?!

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snowfoxofdeath Thou errant flap-dragon! from San Francisco Suburb Since: Apr, 2012
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#245: Jun 13th 2011 at 10:22:49 PM

Would it be bad debating skills to link somewhere else? Because I know a really relevant article that explains my position much better than I can.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#246: Jun 13th 2011 at 10:27:06 PM

I couldn't hurt.

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#247: Jun 13th 2011 at 10:29:36 PM

I would prefer that we keep the debate in the other thread.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#248: Jun 13th 2011 at 10:31:26 PM

-sigh-

She is trying to explain her position.

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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#249: Jun 13th 2011 at 10:35:03 PM

I think it's a little late to try to keep debate out of this thread.

edited 13th Jun '11 10:35:14 PM by LoniJay

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#250: Jun 13th 2011 at 10:41:01 PM

Am I going to have to create a third thread, just so I can discuss this series without getting into an argument over every little detail?

I explained my position to you, you explained yours to me. Let's leave it at that, and agree that there are different ways of looking at the scene in question.

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