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LoveHappiness Nihilist Hippie Since: Dec, 2010
Nihilist Hippie
#77: May 12th 2011 at 9:17:33 PM

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First off I'm also an antinatalist. Once we stop breeding them they'll die off. Second they still suffer a lot regardless. And I personally think all wild animals should eventually have no further offspring as soon as possible too.

edited 12th May '11 9:22:43 PM by LoveHappiness

"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#78: May 12th 2011 at 9:23:55 PM

And I am a pragmatist. We will never get the world to accept that animals are worth our own suffering, better to find alternate methods to the same ends. Vat grown meat is certainly one possibility, harsher penalties for animal cruelty or even a large price increase on meats, thereby making it more of a luxury then a staple.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#79: May 12th 2011 at 9:28:40 PM

LH: How about going oh it is your choice and stop trying to enforce your obviously rejected world view in this thread.

Vat grown meats might be ok if they are at least tasty. If they taste good I can over look the creepy factor.

Have you ever heard of Quorm (spelling) basically fungus/mold meat alternative. It tastes ok. The after taste is a little odd. I still prefer chicken.

I should also note that at least where I live meat based proteins are cheaper then getting the same amount from vegetables. Probably has to do with the fact our city is still major slaughter house/meat processor industry. Omha Steaks being based here and all.

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#80: May 12th 2011 at 9:30:26 PM

Fungus/mold meat alternative? I MUST TRY THIS.

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LoveHappiness Nihilist Hippie Since: Dec, 2010
Nihilist Hippie
#81: May 12th 2011 at 9:40:20 PM

"LH: How about going oh it is your choice and stop trying to enforce your obviously rejected world view in this thread."

{personal attack removed - Bobby}

It's your choice, you can choose to be serial killer too. Right and wrong don't exist, but suffering does. You can choose to be a selfish person who consumes the carcasses of dead animals and supports the industry of killing sensitive beings in terrible living conditions. I'm just not going to be polite because all suffering matters intensely to me. It's not something I can just shrug off.

edited 13th May '11 7:37:53 AM by BobbyG

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#82: May 12th 2011 at 9:42:36 PM

Or you can stop being an asshole and try being polite and stop telling us were all wrong and maybe trying to give us a good reason other then were torturing poor animals.

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Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#83: May 12th 2011 at 9:43:32 PM

Eating animals is like murder? Seriously dude?

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#84: May 12th 2011 at 9:48:15 PM

Yeah LH, you are coming across as throwing a bit of a tantrum of sorts here.

Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
Diva of Virtual Death
#85: May 12th 2011 at 9:49:12 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry I'm a horrible selfish murderer who eats animals in the way that omnivores of all species are biologically designed to do? Nature is not a fluffy, happy place.

I'm all for making farms and slaughtering as humane as possible, but I'm not going to feel guilty for doing a natural biological function that was designed how I'm supposed to refuel myself.

(Ironically I don't even eat meat very often; just chicken occasionally and bacon very occasionally, and I prefer veggies, milk, and cheese instead. But that's just because I like the taste of non-meat stuff better, not because I'm obsessed over animal rights.)

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Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#86: May 12th 2011 at 9:50:10 PM

Really now...apart from radical Muslims, who hates a BBQ?

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#87: May 12th 2011 at 9:51:50 PM

Only communists do, Kino. cool

edited 12th May '11 9:52:12 PM by MarkVonLewis

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#88: May 12th 2011 at 9:51:54 PM

He seems to know that nature isn't a nice place. Hence why he dislikes nature and "natural" being considered a good thing.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#89: May 12th 2011 at 9:53:01 PM

@Mark: Shit....even commies like a good smoking.

LoveHappiness Nihilist Hippie Since: Dec, 2010
Nihilist Hippie
#90: May 12th 2011 at 9:53:44 PM

Sorry well, OK. But I will never accept animal slavery or murder or abuse, that is not a "choice". Anyway, I'm just sad that no one else here puts minimizing all suffering and death as one their central moral principles. I feel so alone in my extreme altruism. wink

edited 12th May '11 9:54:37 PM by LoveHappiness

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blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#91: May 12th 2011 at 9:54:30 PM

hate a BBQ? No, but I hate the way them darn <insert your choice of Alabamians, North Carolinians, Memphisites, Kansas Citiers> do it!—-true BBQ fan of one of the others.

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#92: May 12th 2011 at 9:55:09 PM

I put minimizing suffering as one of my core principles. I just know that I as one human have limits. I am not going to try and stretch myself too far. That leads to pointless suffering. You cannot forget yourself and your own suffering. Just as you cannot forget the suffering of others. Strangers, loved ones, enemies, and other species.

edited 12th May '11 9:55:43 PM by Aondeug

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Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#93: May 12th 2011 at 9:55:23 PM

Extreme altruism? Is that what we call delusions of grandeur nowadays? Dude, eating a steak and enjoying it doesn't count as murder, keeping animals on a farm isn't slavery.

Who the fuck let Alabama have BBQ's?!?

edited 12th May '11 9:55:50 PM by Kino

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#94: May 12th 2011 at 9:56:12 PM

My virgin ears! let's keep it civil guys, don't want to invoke the wrath of the mods now.

You can choose to be a selfish person who consumes the carcasses of dead animals and supports the industry of killing sensitive beings in terrible living conditions.

And we do, the circle of life and all that.

I'm just not going to be polite because all suffering matters intensely to me. It's not something I can just shrug off.

We manage to stay polite in discussing all manner of things, it's not politeness as much as your not really debating. You claim that animals have the right to exist with minimal suffering, or something akin to that. You haven't presented a viable alternative to meat eating, in neither the short or long of it. You haven't bothered to counter the simple fact that we are omnivores nor have you bothered to state a reason why animals deserve such care. If you're not willing to see why society (for the most part) disagrees with you or your not going to bring any real debate to the plate I have to ask why you bothered making this thread?

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blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#95: May 12th 2011 at 9:57:18 PM

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I don't rightly know, but somehow they managed to get the sauce white!

If that don't beat all, I don't know what does!

Grain Only One Avatar from South Northwest Earth Since: Oct, 2009
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#96: May 12th 2011 at 9:58:27 PM

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Is it moral to torture animals when we have enough advanced science and technology to survive without eating meat?

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Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#97: May 12th 2011 at 10:00:28 PM

How are we torturing animals?

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#98: May 12th 2011 at 10:00:51 PM

Depends on your morals, but sure.

By my system? Probably not. You'd have to work slowly and only a big scale to change things though. Change like that ain't going to happen fast or easy.

But even then what do we do with all the things? They aren't bred to survive outside our farms and shit. And there's a lot of the fuckers. Even if they do survive out there the animals out there are fucking assholes and will eat them. MORE SUFFERING.

Life is Dukkha, bitches.

edited 12th May '11 10:02:18 PM by Aondeug

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#99: May 12th 2011 at 10:03:00 PM

Torture? Poor living conditions sure; but torture implies certain malicious intent that is not present in farming.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#100: May 12th 2011 at 10:04:14 PM

LH: I can deal with that. Another one of those things to hope for the future honestly.

Grain: What science are you referring to.

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