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RetroActiveLiar Since: Jan, 2015
#476: Jan 27th 2015 at 10:11:08 PM

The assumed position in this thread seems to be that animals deserve rights, can anyone explain to me why?

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#477: Jan 28th 2015 at 2:46:06 AM

Because they are sentient beings with feelings and as such they are entitled to protection from undue pain and suffering.

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#478: Feb 4th 2015 at 7:31:54 AM

Again, Costa Rica.

The law I mentioned before was tabled in favor of discussing another. It is already hard enough to get these mother fucking lawmakers to get into an agreement of if they should drink coffee or tea, but their stalling in decisions like this also comes with unintended consequences.

Lookit dis cutie

That is a baby Ocelot, 22 days old. This belonged to a particular subspecies of Ocelot that is endangered. It was found thanks to an anonymous phone call, where it was found in the house of a group of peons. They claimed they rescued the feline from ants, however the creature presented no bites.

It is known that Ocelots are raised and then killed for their fur, and there is again no law to properly penalize these behaviors. Poaching is a severe problem on endangered species, because the lucrative deals (or lucrative for people in underemployed areas) pose a special problem. And the fact there are no laws in place despite its problems just keep piling up.

Even if the law does nothing the mere fact it exists serves as a precedent. It is not just the lives of animals that are threathened by people lacking the means to defend them, but also the lives of those who defend and stand up for them.

That was depressing. Have a cute ocelot picture.

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#479: Feb 4th 2015 at 9:18:25 AM

Awwww, I never knew ocelot cubs looked so cute.

Why are Costa Rican lawmakers so wishy-washy over animal rights laws, anyway?

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#480: Feb 4th 2015 at 9:28:14 AM

They are not wishy-washy. They are just lazy and incompetent and too trudged down in corruption and petty politics to actually get down to work. Most of their time, the different parties spend their time bickering with one another over X positioning, or mentioning. Like, last two weeks was about one of the dumbest most idiotic political scandals ever

And there are incredibly stupid things like "A law cannot actually pass if there are not enough representatives present", so if a political party has a grudge against the other they just stand up and leave and bam. Suddenly, not enough numbers to pass the law so it has to be stalled again.

And by grudge I mean childish as fuck stuff.

Meanwhile, animals and people suffer for it, but this specific law has been needed for a long time, and they just find it more important to bicker about what stupid politicans bicker about.

Besides the Realpolitik of the business though there are a few who are opposed to it because certain things like cock fighting would be penalized, and according to them cock fighting is "tradition" and "should not be banned", so they are opposed to any law who would ban that.

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#481: Feb 4th 2015 at 10:28:19 AM

[up]The attitude certainly isn't limited to there either. Dunno how much info is available online, but there's been a decades-long grudge-fest between North Carolina conservatives and sane people over the state's ritual of hanging a box containing a live Opossum on new year's eve.

edited for clarity

edited 4th Feb '15 2:52:02 PM by carbon-mantis

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#482: Feb 4th 2015 at 10:44:47 AM

Hanging? As in...by the neck? What the fuck?

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#483: Feb 4th 2015 at 11:52:21 AM

Please tell me that you're kidding. It would be a repugnantly sick joke, but that's arguably better than it being reality.

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#484: Feb 4th 2015 at 2:51:05 PM

The current practice is to suspend it in a transparent box (which still results in its death via stress); in some really rural communities here, northern Georgia, and east Tennessee they would also kill black cats and chickens via hanging in a ritual vaguely similar but I haven't heard of a case of that in a few years since the practice is usually branded as "Satanism" (though it was more of a weird old European holdover that had elements of a divination/"drive away the evil eye" sort of thing about it).

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#485: Feb 4th 2015 at 2:53:21 PM

I would ask why but my brain is too busy trying to decide if to be outraged or to be baffled at how silly that sounds.

The ones that sacrifice the critter though, those can go fuck themselves.

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#486: Feb 4th 2015 at 3:17:01 PM

Fun fact: they used to have a thing called a goose-pull, where people would attempt to pull the head off of a live goose.

Still done in parts of Europe, though the poor bird is killed beforehand now.

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#487: Feb 5th 2015 at 6:14:41 AM

That sounds messy...to say the least.

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#488: Feb 5th 2015 at 8:00:39 AM

Possums are nasty, dangerous critters. Why the hell would you want to be around them?!

We shoot them on sight around here. Armadillos and poisonous snakes as well.

Blegh...

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#489: Feb 5th 2015 at 8:04:42 AM

Yes, they are wild animals. Some people keep them as pets. ut that vision of "pests" is probably why they think it is a justified good idea to torture one to death.

edited 5th Feb '15 8:05:47 AM by Aszur

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#490: Feb 5th 2015 at 8:25:58 AM

They carry disease, attack pets, and what not. No, they don't deserve to be tortured, never. But they are pests and can be a danger.

Anyone who tortures animals should be brought up on charges, certainly.

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#491: Feb 5th 2015 at 8:45:33 AM

The place I live in has a wild persimmon grove, so we see opossums all the time during the fall months. They're more like big nocturnal squirrels than anything else; they have wickedly sharp teeth, but they'll only attack something when they're cornered like any other wild animal (or occasionally kill someone's fowl when they're hungry and the opportunity presents itself). More often than not they get along fairly well with most animals except dogs. I've observed them via infrared camera walking around alongside raccoons and feral cats without incident.

They get a really bad rap in the south because of their superficial resemblance to rats (especially when they're emaciated and their fur is wet/mucky, which often brings about the "diseased" accusation), and because of their habit of scavenging through human rubbish when they're hungry enough.

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#492: Feb 5th 2015 at 8:52:38 AM

My grandparents bought a farm when they moved here. Possums attack cows legs and will kill chickens.

You should be even more concerned with them in the city because for them to even be here means that they are half mad or way too bold.

Armadillos aren't aggressive. They'll dig up your garden all too hell, but they're shy. They carry disease and if you let them in they're hard to dig out.

Killing animals is never fun. Even when I hunt I don't gleefully go for it. But Bambi tastes good and can feed my family for a while. I was trained though to not take a shot unless you can kill it with one hit or a close second. Unless it's a dangerous animal. You take it down as fast as possible. Snakes especially. A shot to the head or the middle of the body is an equal killing shot with them.

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#493: Feb 5th 2015 at 8:54:16 AM

And I'm over here naming the snakes I find in my garden and letting spiders make webs on my porch.

They're all so cute.

Oh really when?
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#494: Feb 5th 2015 at 8:55:06 AM

Hunting for food and control is a lot different than killing for the hell of it via scaring them through a glass box tho

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#495: Feb 5th 2015 at 9:03:54 AM

[up][up] Hey spiders are fine, it's stuff like foxes that you need to give a fencepost to the skull.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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#496: Feb 5th 2015 at 9:05:02 AM

[up][up] [up]Arkansas has a high number of poisonous snakes and little hospitals or medical treatments that can save a bite victim. Water moccasins, copperheads, and rattlers are very dangerous. Black snakes, rat snakes, and what not are very wonderful assets and I let them live with joy. They don't bite and even if they did, it's not poisonous.

When I was a child a rattler got in our house. The recent constructions around us flushed him out. When I was 12 my father showed me how to spot rabies from the corpse of a possum.

Spiders I leave alone unless they are brown recluses. Those are also very poisonous and can make me very ill with one bite but they can kill my son.

I have also had to do mercy kills. I put down my neighbor's dog for her when I was about 16? Something like that. It's not a fun thing but a bullet to the head is a lot better than letting something suffer or letting something damage your livelihood or your animal family.

edited 5th Feb '15 9:05:20 AM by Gabrael

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#497: Feb 5th 2015 at 9:09:15 AM

[up] I don't think we get dangerous spiders around here.

But the gist is simple, if an animal poses a danger to you or your group (including other animals you keep) than that's when it becomes legit to start doing something. I've only killed one fox and that was because the old shit just wouldn't walk away.

And yeah mercy kills are a thing, I know of instances in the past where someone was filmed giving a mercy kill and the footage was then broadcast on national TV without the context of it being a mercy kill, needless to say everyone involved was rather pissed at the organisation that did said filming.

edited 5th Feb '15 9:10:29 AM by Silasw

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#498: Feb 5th 2015 at 9:10:29 AM

All my snakes are the cute little garter and rat snakes. They're adorable and don't bother my dogs any.

Brown recluses die but other little house spiders are fine, I've got one hanging out in the upper corner of my ceiling now. I've named him Greg.

And last year I had a lovely family of banana spiders on my porch last year and they took care of lots of wasps and things.

That's about it though, I'm in the suburbs so nothing bad really wanders in. Had a bobcat find his way here though, that was fun.

Oh really when?
Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#499: Feb 5th 2015 at 9:17:10 AM

Greg sounds wonderful! I've never seen a banana spider....TO GOOGLE!

I appreciate spiders. They keep things clean and take care of the bad bugs. Chickens are annoying as dirt but they're great at keeping ticks and chiggers down. You can find green tree snakes across the south and they're fun to play with. I haven't seen a lot of those lately.

Most people in the city can use a bb or pellet gun to deter problem animals. You just got to aim for the haunch to prevent serious injury. A sting on the butt normally will keep dogs out of a yard.

Aprilla and I gave two dogs over to our neighbor because they weren't tagged and we couldn't find the owners, if you care enough to have a pet, they should be collared and tagged so if they're lost or they start to be a problem, someone knows where to go. But then owners are accountable and god knows that's just horrible government intervention...

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#500: Feb 5th 2015 at 9:20:00 AM

Ya heard gab, Garcon. get to collaring and tagging those spiders! tongue

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