Biased? but they argue with logic. Logical fallacies hold true. Even if a site is biased if they say 1+1=2 they are right even if the government says it is 3. Look at the arguments. Cite and refute them. The lady starts out with ad hominem attacks but she cites USDA studies and explains why they are a load of s***. Bias does not make arguments inherently wrong. The youtube is more a hilarious lesson to find logical falacies, infact Tom doesn't claim to know any facts, he actually teaches his audience how to approach studies cited in headlines. The youtube is only a lesson in critical thinking so you can look at the studies that are cited by the gov't.
edited 15th May '11 8:34:04 PM by Princeofstar
I don't disagree for the hell of it. I just want the real truth. Life should be a quest for love & the truth. Tell me when I'm wrong.I was talking about something with "raw" in the name, I didn't actually check the site.
Fight smart, not fair.While you can argue that meat eating is useful for evolving large brains, I think your chain of cause and effect is incorrect.
The reason for gut shinking is not "bigger guts use more energy. Therefore a smaller gut is more efficient. With the energy we will save from this we can build bigger brains".
Our diet changed, therefore our intestines shrank. Not the other way around.
Be not afraid...We adapted to eating more meat, resulting in our guts shrinking, we now get less energy out of Fibrous plant material, so either way we must eat meat which is richer in energy to sustain a bigger brain with a smaller gut which extracts less energy. Spot on with the causality, veganism is my Berserk Button so I may have difficulty explaining due to such a loaded topic for me.
edited 15th May '11 9:02:54 PM by Princeofstar
I don't disagree for the hell of it. I just want the real truth. Life should be a quest for love & the truth. Tell me when I'm wrong.I'm pretty sure that we would have started eating more meat before our gut morphology changed. Animal bodies don't just up and change for no reason if they're humming along perectly fine as they are; a diet change would have caused a smaller gut. It doesn't go "Our guts became smaller, therefore we had to start eating meat"
edited 15th May '11 8:56:42 PM by LoniJay
Be not afraid...As I said: I agree with your causality, my initial statement was incorrect. Meat eating made our body adapt to meat :). I don't see what we are arguing about.
I'll Fix it
edited 15th May '11 9:02:12 PM by Princeofstar
I don't disagree for the hell of it. I just want the real truth. Life should be a quest for love & the truth. Tell me when I'm wrong.Any biologist knows that bigger guts are an indication of herbivory and smaller guts belong to species more specialised to food stuffs that aren't so hard to digest as plants, like frugivores and carnivores. Considering Homo sapiens has lost use of its Vermiform appendix in regards to digestion (it still has other uses, but originally evolved as a much more important part of the digestive system, and indeed it is very important for all herbivorous mammals), its safe to see we are no longer specialised herbivores.
Anyways, animal rights movements are hypocrital. Even if we leave aside that they only care about cute animals and that PETA secretly kills millions of animals per year, plants are living beings that feel pain.
A single phrase renders Christianity a delusional cult.Thread hop, though I have read through this entire thread.
So Animal rights huh... I'm all for them, just not right now, I think it's safe to assume that humans themselves need a few more decades or centuries to work out a few of their own problems before we start addressing the problems of animals.
Without any senses, it could never suffer or feel good, have sense of self or time, or have preferences at all. So yeah it's fine. Cannibalism is also fine in this case.
edited 16th May '11 5:13:30 PM by LoveHappiness
"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
By 5 senses I meant all senses...
No need to invoke this trope
Just remember, not all animal testing is harmful.
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"Actually, plants do not feel pain as we know it. They have no nerves to detect it and no centralised organ to feel it in."
Several plants do have a nervous system of sorts. Some even have perfectly functional notoreceptors. Hence, they can feel pain.
A single phrase renders Christianity a delusional cult.

Most fibers are undigestible to humans. What evolutionary benefit could it be for our gut to shrink? It is because during evolution we began to eat more meat and our brains grew, so our gut shrunk to conserve energy. Without our guts burning fiber for energy we had to turn to higher quality foods with more available energy AKA animal foods. Meat eating helped us evolve a big brain. True herbivores get energy from fiber. We hardly do.
edited 15th May '11 9:04:24 PM by Princeofstar
I don't disagree for the hell of it. I just want the real truth. Life should be a quest for love & the truth. Tell me when I'm wrong.