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Frank75 Since: Jan, 2001
#1: May 11th 2011 at 8:09:23 AM

Now that we have the "customize title" feature and it's working very well: Should we replace the current ptitle pages by pages with customize titles and cutlist the ptitles or not? What's the position of the mods?

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#2: May 11th 2011 at 8:23:45 AM

While we can do this, it's not inherently necessary — one of the basic purposes of the new system is to allow pages to be renamed without moving them to a new URL. Certainly if you have the time and inclination, you may wish to do this, but bear in mind that you'll have to do the whole deal: move the article and its subpages, fix the wicks, and PM a mod to move any discussion pages or reviews. Also note that if external sites link to a ptitle, we can't just cut it.

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#3: May 11th 2011 at 8:30:22 AM

I generally lean more towards replacing the ptitles, especially if there are other reasons for changing the article URL anyway (such as moving a work from Main to a Media namespace.)

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Frank75 Since: Jan, 2001
#4: May 12th 2011 at 7:22:22 AM

I was thinking mostly about the German pages with that problem. We don't have too many of them yet, they're low-wick, and none of them have sub pages.

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Frank75 Since: Jan, 2001
#5: May 20th 2011 at 1:00:07 AM

OK, I now replaced all the German ptitle pages with pages with proper titles, and had the old ptitles cut.

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Frank75 Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Jun 20th 2011 at 5:13:08 AM

Bump. Had a different idea: Shouldn't we get of ptitle redirects? It would be nice if we had a list of those, and how many wicks they have each. Easier than hunting them.

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#7: Jun 20th 2011 at 6:12:27 AM

Some ptitles are still linked to from off-site, so we keep those specific ones as redirects.

Frank75 Since: Jan, 2001
#8: Jun 22nd 2011 at 1:12:45 AM

OK, we should keep those, but those with few or no inbound linsk still could be deleted. Seeing a ptitle as an alternate title on the head of a page is somewhat irritating.

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#9: Sep 3rd 2011 at 5:11:30 PM

On a related note... The Ptitle Replacement System says that "[t]he index needs the URL of the page, or a redirect to it." However, doing so for Aren't You Going to Ravish Me? and This Bed of Rose's renders the ptitled articles indexless, thus the only option left - besides returning to using ptitles on the indexes - is to move everything to the normal title and discard the old ptitle (after fixing the wicks, of course).

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#10: Sep 3rd 2011 at 6:26:54 PM

Um, what? Redirects don't need to be indexed and the pages you mention are not ptitles.

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#11: Sep 3rd 2011 at 6:32:43 PM

That's because I already fixed them; look at the history for each page and its Ptitle redirect, and you'll see evidence of the transplanting. I made the change because I tried to apply what the passage I quoted recommended to do, only to find that it doesn't work.

edited 3rd Sep '11 6:33:36 PM by MarqFJA

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#12: Sep 3rd 2011 at 8:00:01 PM

If a page has its content on a ptitled URL, you have to list that ptitle on the index. That's the only time you're supposed to be wicking to ptitles now.

Any other time you wick, you use the non-ptitle redirect. Or if you swap the page's content to the non-ptitle version, then you also change the wick the index as well.

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#13: Sep 3rd 2011 at 8:41:32 PM

Well, most of why I asked what was a failure to parse the sentence about the index wick the first time I read it.

Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
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#14: Sep 3rd 2011 at 9:57:03 PM

[up] It's OK, I wasn't replying to you, I was just confused as to what Marq FJA's point is. Unless he's just saying that the wording on the The Ptitle Replacement System page needs to be clearer regards when to use ptitle URLs on indexes and when not to.

edited 3rd Sep '11 9:57:31 PM by Jeysie

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#15: Sep 4th 2011 at 8:52:04 AM

Last night I discovered that Ptitle0bt4sr44 (Sorcery) had no alphabetic redirects whatsoever. I've moved it to an alphabetic Wiki Word (with matching requests for custom titles), however I might have put it in the wrong namespace. Can somebody check my work?

edited 4th Sep '11 8:53:15 AM by Stratadrake

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#16: Sep 4th 2011 at 11:53:17 AM

The namespace should be Video Game, however, the custom titler doesn't like CamelCase namespaces.

I misread the page. I think CYOA should still fall under Literature. I need to stop replying while I'm tired. I saw the iPhone app thing and thought it was a videogame.

edited 5th Sep '11 9:09:46 PM by Balmung

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#17: Sep 5th 2011 at 1:07:02 AM

Game/ is not a supported namespace.

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#18: Sep 5th 2011 at 7:04:47 AM

I thought Game/ was for board games and other non-video games?

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19: Sep 5th 2011 at 7:29:03 PM

You may be looking for TabletopGame/, of which board games are a subset. (I don't think any of the board game pages are namespaced yet, so we could certainly make BoardGame/ an official namespace too, if that's necessary.)

edited 5th Sep '11 7:32:10 PM by troacctid

Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
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#20: Sep 5th 2011 at 8:56:08 PM

[up] I knew TabletopGame/ was for RPGs, but I didn't know it was for board games too. (Feels weird somehow, even if it's technically correct.)

edited 5th Sep '11 8:56:24 PM by Jeysie

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