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X2X You'll never see it coming... from the Darkness Beyond Time Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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#701: Jul 23rd 2013 at 8:43:04 PM

@ Other: I'm aware of both of those, especially since I main Xiba. That being said, though Xiba has his own flair, you can definitely see traces of Mi-na's style in Xiba's moveset alongside Kilik's stuff and anything new Xiba brings to the table (and this was after Mi-na and Kilik were really set apart from each other in III and IV). After all, Xiba's teacher (and grandfather), Kong Xiuqiang, is the same guy who trained Mi-na.

@ wander: Time for a history lesson then! grin

Mokujin is to Tekken 3 (and Tag... and 5... and 6... and Tag 2) what Edge Master was to Soulcalibur and SCV: the mimic character who switches styles each round and has access to all other movesets in the game. (In 4, he was replaced by Combot, who was more or less what Charade and Olcadan served for SCII and SCIII in Edge Master's stead.) Unknown, on the other hand, was a different kind of mimic in the original Tag: she'd always start the match in Jun's style (which was a big part of the mass fan theory that she was Jun; Tag 2 proved this to be true, either as an I Knew It! moment or Ascended Fanon), but could switch randomly to most of the other styles using R3.

Ok, let me try and get this straight, since something is not clicking within my mind. You're saying that Charade should be the vessel for Nightmare between Siegfried-Nightmare in II and Inferno-as-Nightmare in SCIII note , despite Inferno's essence immediately jumping ship to Nightmare's discarded armor after Siegfried broke free of Soul Edge's influence, with Zasalamel giving him a new body not too long after. I know you like Charade and all, but the only way I could see that working is if you had a Hive Mind thing going on, seeing as what you're suggesting is barely any different than what Nightmare was in III and IV, never mind that Nightmare and Charade have the same goal of collecting the Soul Edge fragments to become whole (which is why Charade merges back into Soul Edge in his II ending and canonically before IV). Plus, Charade is motivated (at least partially) by the desires of man whose corpse and Soul Edge fragments was used, so you could even argue that Charade isn't entirely will-less either. Anyway, dem be me two cents.

And finally, wild mass guess Vercci, O'aka, and the Merchant obviously belong to the same family of mysterious goods providers. wild mass guess

edited 23rd Jul '13 8:50:34 PM by X2X

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#702: Jul 23rd 2013 at 9:35:54 PM

Hmm. You are right about the timing. Charade's former life didn't really have any recollections, though, right? In any case, the merger, via Zasalamel, would take place during 3, and I'd have Charade as the "body", with Inferno as the "mind", basically in the same manner as how Nightmare and Inferno are different now. Of course, as a final boss, Inferno would be ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

If those events took place during 3, both "Charade" and "Nightmare" could be playable during 3, though it'd only be "Nightmare" for IV (and V). Then, there would be a dream game.

At the root of it all, Charade would play as a Grieve/Wave fusion in 2, and as the previously described fusion in 3. I wouldn't have removed Edgemaster from 2.

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#703: Jul 23rd 2013 at 9:51:38 PM

To be honest, I want Edge Master to be in the next Soul game, but not as a mimic. His artwork always shows him depicted with a longsword, and I think it's about time that Edge Master gets a style revolved around it. Ocladon can be the mimic of the series from that point on.

edited 23rd Jul '13 9:52:06 PM by IWasJustPassingBy

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#704: Jul 23rd 2013 at 9:53:52 PM

What going on right now? I see both best character and best guest/bonus.

Anyway, my phone won't let me vote, so if it's the guest/bonus, just assume an extra vote for Link.

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#705: Jul 23rd 2013 at 10:23:59 PM

I'm about to make the switch right...

Now.

Okay, I'll holler for that new crowner to get hooked, and the old one to get locked. Remember, you can vote on every character if you so choose.

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#706: Jul 24th 2013 at 7:42:47 PM

@ wander: Ok, that makes more sense. For III, you're suggesting he'd be the Nightmare to Inferno's Night Terror, then?

As for Charade, he has some trace of the man's desire to hold on to the fragments he had when dying. Other than that, I don't know if anything else ended up transferring to Charade.

@ Just Passing By: I did suggest something similar, except for that the broadsword moveset would be an exclusive for Edge Master in addition to mimicking everyone.

The way this crowner is going, looks like Yoda's going to be firmly sitting at rock bottom. I must ask why Arthur's in this list, though. I know he's Mitsurugi's replacement in the Korean releases, but I feel he's closer to a real character than most of the bonus characters.

edited 24th Jul '13 7:49:43 PM by X2X

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#707: Jul 24th 2013 at 8:04:58 PM

Because I couldn't in good conscience list him as a real character, tbh. I guess I probably should have, though, but I think I had asked about it beforehand.

Yes, that Nightmare / Night Terror comparison is apt. Also, what little of the man is left in Charade is why he'd make a great host: no will other than to reunite the sword.

I voted down all the Star Wars characters, because they just don't fit in this universe.

For the "Best Music Crowner", there is a lot of music over the history of this series. I'm thinking I'll save that for "Crowner Week 2", and split it like how we split the Bleach thread's Loads And Loads Of Characters: here, we'd do it one game per day, take the top 3-5, and have them go head to head. I could use some help uploading several day's worth, though. Namely the days we do SE, SC 4 and SC 5, since I don't care about those games.

edited 24th Jul '13 8:07:17 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#708: Jul 24th 2013 at 10:28:01 PM

Oh good, Ashlotte broke the giant ass tie. I was almost going to vote her down, but that is one friggin AWESOME design. And, she ties into the story.

Alright, I'm working on the next crowner. This one is over with!

Okay, here we go. Remember, you're voting on playstyles.

edited 24th Jul '13 10:55:35 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#709: Jul 24th 2013 at 10:55:24 PM

Wow. Go Ezio.

This one is called!

... Well? Don't leave us hanging, man! tongue

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#710: Jul 24th 2013 at 10:55:59 PM

By "called", I mean over. I was referring to the one that just ended.

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#711: Jul 24th 2013 at 10:57:46 PM

Aww...

Well, weapon playstyle is next in line. I'm assuming you're including the bonus CAS disciplines from III?

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#712: Jul 24th 2013 at 10:58:40 PM

Yep, I did. However, I referred to them as COTS... but I figure it's obvious, right? If not, anyone's welcome to change (COTS) to (CAS)

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#713: Jul 25th 2013 at 9:44:07 AM

This might be silly, but is it worth it to be listing redundant styles? I mean, I can get having, say, Sophitia, Pyrrha and Cassandra, or Yunseong and Hwang, or Amy and Raphael, etc separate, but is there any point to having, say, Xianghua and Leixia, or Natsu and Taki, or Sophitia and Pyrrha Omega separate?

(I am not sure if Alpha Pat and Setsuka are complete clones, as I don't play enough as either. They apparently have some moves different between them)

Also, why isn't Nightmare on there?

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#714: Jul 25th 2013 at 10:19:19 AM

If I forgot something, you guys are free to add it. I guess I forgot how dissimilar Nightmare was to Seigfried.

I never played 5, and don't care to, so I have no idea if the new generation characters play exactly the same or not.

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#715: Jul 25th 2013 at 10:23:36 AM

Wait, so you've spent post after post bashing a game you haven't played? I mean, I can kinda sorta maybe just not liking it on principle with the time skip and all the changes and three mimics, but if you haven't played it, I'd think it'd be logical to just not talk about it.

But that's just me.

Also, I added Nightmare.

edited 25th Jul '13 10:24:05 AM by Otherarrow

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#716: Jul 25th 2013 at 10:29:36 AM

I didn't realize so many people hated Astaroth here.

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#717: Jul 25th 2013 at 10:31:40 AM

Astaroth is one of those characters who has a lot of good plot bits going on around him, but the guy himself is just "big dumb brute on a rampage who folks want dead for various reasons".

Also, I personally am not good with his fighting style. (which makes Ashlotte runs of IV fairly difficult for me ;_;)

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#718: Jul 25th 2013 at 10:34:58 AM

[up]Does he NEED any deeper characterization than that? I mean, he doesn't exactly scream "Subtle" or "nuance" to look at him.

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#719: Jul 25th 2013 at 10:37:01 AM

Well, true. But the point is, the guy himself isn't very interesting so much as the stuff that happens around him that he is a catalyst for.

If that makes any sense.

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#720: Jul 25th 2013 at 10:40:28 AM

[up]That's okay for me because I don't really care about the story in Soul, I'm just in it to crack skulls.

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#721: Jul 25th 2013 at 11:18:20 AM

Astaroth had characterization in 3, and I don't like to see flat independent characters.

I do like the story, which was part of what kept me interested in the series. It is also why I don't have to play 5 to know it isn't for me. There is next to nothing appealing to me about it. You don't have to try something to make an informed decision about it. It'd be like saying "self-immolation isn't for me, and it seems like a bad idea." "Why don't you try setting yourself on fire just a little bit, and considering it after?"

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#722: Jul 25th 2013 at 11:20:16 AM

...V isn't that bad. There is a difference between "giving something a try before you judge it" and "doing something stupid just because you've never done it before".

I am not saying that you'll like it (you probably won't) but at the same time, at the very least, you'd actually know what the hell you are ranting against firsthand, and...heck, you might find something about it you like!

Of course, you seem like the type of person who utterly convinces themselves of how good or bad something is before hand and will ignore anything to the contrary even if you do play it. So, whatever.

Also, Astaroth had characterization in 3? He was basically "big dumb brute, but now with a hate-on for Rock and a new status as Ares' puppet". It's better, but I hardly consider it "characterization".

edited 25th Jul '13 11:25:03 AM by Otherarrow

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#723: Jul 25th 2013 at 11:47:53 AM

  1. That was an example, not a direct comparison
  2. I have watched the entire "story mode"
  3. I know the character roster
  4. It isn't like I retreated to a cave when it was announced. I know quite a bit about the gameplay.
  5. I don't have to try it. If I want enjoyable soul calibur, I can stick to 2 or 3. If I want to play a good new fighting game, I have mk9, tvc, umvc3 (less so this game, it got old quick), plus Jojo and Naruto on the horizon.
  6. You don't know me. Don't assume. It makes an ass of you. I can, and do, make opinions carefully, and try things if I feel they warrant additional consideration.

If not enough in V appeals to me to warrant spending time and/or money on, that isn't my fault, and that does not mean I cannot comment as to its quality or lack thereof. If that were the case, really none of us could do any voting or opining whatsoever without playing every character, mode, song and game and making a "fully informed" opinion.

edited 25th Jul '13 11:50:25 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#724: Jul 25th 2013 at 12:05:25 PM

I still think that, since you haven't played it, you should have just gone "this doesn't look like something I'd like, for *reasons*" and then never talk about it again unless prompted. Instead, I see you rambling constantly about how horrible it is and how much the story sucks and how much the characters suck and so on and so forth. Quite frankly, I find it rather annoying.

I am not saying you have to play it to have a "valid" opinion, but you never shut up about how awful it supposedly is, despite all your exposure to it being secondhand. I mean, I don't talk about SC or SE unless it is brought up by someone else or if I have to compare characters to earlier incarnations, and even then, I try not to make a value judgement on them and try to make it very clear that my knowledge is secondhand and there is the very real chance that I am wrong. I am not going to go on a ramble about how SC is a dated piece of shit based on Arcade Mode videos I saw once, because I've never played the game and feel that judging it so harshly wouldn't be fair.

You can say "I looked up info/videos/whathaveyou and I didn't like the direction things were going so I skipped out". And that is fine. But, personally, I find all of your "well V is shit and those plot points/characters 'don't count' to me" comments every time someone brings up V around you to be fairly annoying, and since you admitted that you skipped out, I find them at least a little bit...hypocritical? Judgmental? Lacking in context? Something like that, I dunno. It just bugs me is all.

Rant rant rant ramble ramble ramble.

I'm sorry if I offended you btw. I just had to state my mind on this, because it bugged me.

edited 25th Jul '13 12:10:17 PM by Otherarrow

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#725: Jul 25th 2013 at 12:12:18 PM

I guess it's for the best that they used the PS2 versionl. Spawn was probably gonna be a one time thing, and as much as i'd like Link, he's the only character that actually would have to stay on one console.

That said, I do wanna try Heihachi and get to punch out Soul character. I just hope that since II was my only Soul game, i'll be able to pick it back up, or at least not suck at it now.

edited 25th Jul '13 12:13:03 PM by TechPowah

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