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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#2776: May 3rd 2016 at 11:37:59 PM

Honestly, the whole "if they're too old, either make them immortal or write them out" is just lazy on Namco's part.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#2778: May 3rd 2016 at 11:55:21 PM

Who did that happen to?

Ah, Tekken. Men get old there, at least... Women too, but the main lineages are full of dudes.

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Malco from the Gungeon Since: Oct, 2015
#2779: May 4th 2016 at 12:00:09 AM

Nina and Anna got frozen. So it's 20 years later in Tekken 3 from Tekken 2. Lei and (Marshall) Law and Michelle look aged by comparison (except Tag games for Michelle). Nina and Anna still look like 20-something hotties, of course.

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#2780: May 4th 2016 at 8:43:37 AM

I friggin knew it would be Nina or Anna, but both? (eyeroll). Still, how many other females were there pre-timeskip?

To be fair, Namco's kinda damned if you do, damned if you don't, when it comes to aging characters in timeskips. If they age characters, then they get questioned for not putting in new people, who may get hated. If they don't, then they're grasping at straws for convenient immortality or Absurdly Youthful Mother to explain why people can still fight at world-class skill. If they write characters out, then they get questioned for that too (no excuse for Talim, who would be 32, but maybe Zasalamel reincarnated 5 years before SCV, and isn't even a pre-teen yet).

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#2781: May 4th 2016 at 9:28:31 AM

Yeah, they're in a no-win situation there. They have three options: Age a character up, make them ageless, or write them out.

Aging a character up works for some, but not all. Having a cast full of old masters is not only odd, but stretches belief (I mean, the life expectancy at that time was what, 40?). A bunch of old people fighting and keeping up with the younglings stretches belief to me. Especially if they fight exactly like they did when they were young.

Making them ageless just does feel like a copout to me. Sometimes it's justified, but it's still a cop out. Seems to defeat the entire point of a time skip.

I like the new generation thing. Except when it's Generation Xerox but more annoying. Which is... most of them, sadly.

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#2782: May 4th 2016 at 12:31:01 PM

They could go the Harry Potter route and have each game only cover a year or so of time. They might have age problems with voice actors (depending on the time it takes to develop games), but hey, not all characters have the same VA two games in a row anyhow, so that shouldn't be much of an issue.

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#2783: May 4th 2016 at 12:45:47 PM

That's not really a solution so much as "not having a time skip at all."

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#2784: May 4th 2016 at 1:01:16 PM

Yeah, pretty much. I'm just saying that they could do that instead of putting so many in-story years in between games.

Is there really any advantage to them using timeskips? :/ I guess it means roster rotation is easier, since you can just say a character died or completed their quest offscreen, but you can just handle that by resolving them onscreen at the end of a game, like they did with Rock (I think), or just leave room for ambiguity; I'm pretty sure everybody had an ending in II that either suggested they retired or left the possibility open.

I dunno about the canon endings, but it seems to me like those can be decided after the info is in on what characters are popular with the fans and which ones could be dropped in favor of new blood.

edited 4th May '16 1:03:28 PM by Knowlessman

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#2785: May 4th 2016 at 1:45:07 PM

Roster rotation, excuses for new costumes, story progression.

I mean, as far as fighting games go, Tekken and Soul Calibur are relatively story-driven. So I am all for a time-skip if it helps the narrative. The thing is, they need to make sure it doesn't hurt gameplay (in other words, make sure that they don't eliminate fan-favorite fighters) thus necessitating a Suspiciously Similar Substitute or Moveset Clone.

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#2786: May 4th 2016 at 4:03:24 PM

The narrative of Soul Calibur is what got me into this series. I'm not against timeskips, but I find that the narrative of the series has been bad in IV, and especially bad in 5. So, this particular timeskip did nothing to help.

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#2788: May 16th 2016 at 11:07:15 PM

I got my Gamecube controllers back, and the first game I popped into my Wii, even before Melee, was Soul Calibur II.

Man... nostalgia. Talim is my friggin hero!

I was going through different Exibitions, and I had Sophitia's 3rd Costume with Memento. I read the note on Memento that it was "adored by a loved one". And she ends her exhibition by saying "Rothion, see me through!" And people want to break this up. For shame.

edited 16th May '16 11:20:17 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#2789: May 17th 2016 at 4:48:41 AM

Okay, I can now confirm that Rothion could be Rescued from the Scrappy Heap...

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#2790: May 17th 2016 at 1:07:44 PM

[up][up] In fairness, characters also say basically say the same to gods or elements.

No one's shipping Talim and the wind.

I hope.

Anyhoo. I'm not sure how I feel about a new SC, honestly. Setting something after SCV sounds... less than ideal. But I don't like the idea of an interquel because of the fact that SCV basically leads to Doomed by Canon.

Unless the interquel cancels out SCV. I'd be for that.

edited 17th May '16 1:10:38 PM by Larkmarn

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#2791: May 17th 2016 at 1:21:54 PM

I admit I'm curious as to how they'll handle things.

Perhaps a Mortal Kombat 9-esque Internal Cosmic Retcon. Like characters receive visions of the events that lead to V, and take steps to change them.

This doesn't mean the characters of V are retconned (i.e. Pyrrha and Patrokles are already born, so they can't be erased) but that maybe they take steps to ensure things are as bad as they were in V.

I doubt it though.

edited 17th May '16 1:23:20 PM by HandsomeRob

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#2792: May 17th 2016 at 1:28:20 PM

Well given V suddenly revealed that Soul Calibur can rewind time... it's not that far-fetched.

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#2793: May 17th 2016 at 2:10:12 PM

...

It did.

Holy shit! This might be possible.

Oh. Patrokles decides to rewind time so as to give his mother a chance to prevent the events that brought game 5 about.

His younger self still exists, but that version of him is gone.

Maybe it might be a form of redemption for him, and people will be rid of a character they hate at the same time. Everyone wins.

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#2794: May 17th 2016 at 3:14:51 PM

That would be pretty damn rad...

And they would get a chance to redo stuff on the other new characters, and maybe make them a little less sucky, personality-wise

edited 17th May '16 3:15:07 PM by Knowlessman

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UltimateLazer Since: Apr, 2016
#2795: May 17th 2016 at 3:50:29 PM

Lost Swords, for how crappy it was, did hint on how they could bring the old characters back. It basically stated that warriors have traveled across time and space due to a rift in Astral Chaos following the destruction of the two swords. While the game is a spin-off, it's never been stated to be non-canon.

Also, I don't think we'll have to worry about not seeing old faces again. The popularity poll was used to determine the roster of Soulcalibur VI, obviously, and all the originals outranked their replacements. I'm hoping that based on how Patroklos is quite possibly the most hated character in the series, as shown by his piss-poor performance in the poll despite being the main character of SCV, that Namco will write him out of the series. The fact that Namco themselves insulted him gives us further evidence of this.

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#2796: May 17th 2016 at 3:52:02 PM

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With my version, they could do just that, while at least letting him go out on a high note.

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#2797: May 17th 2016 at 3:58:57 PM

Just for the record, I don't hate Rothion. He created Sophie's weapons after all.

It's just I wish we knew more about him.

Also, if they do reboot SC I want Sophitia in as a default fighter PLEASE.

She's the entire reason I even have Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate installed on my Xbox.

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#2798: May 17th 2016 at 4:15:16 PM

[up][up] Eh, I don't think people really want to see him again though. Best to just find a way to get him out of the games quick.

Also something that should be noted is that the whole time skip thing was done by V director Daishi Odashima. He left in 2013, and has been replaced by Masaki Hoshino, who clearly prefers the older cast over the new. Based on how Talim and Taki were the Top 2 characters on the popularity poll, they're very likely to return, but also Sophitia, Cassandra, Seong Mi-Na, and Xianghua as well due to them making the Top 20.

Though, I'm not sure how much the poll is going to affect the roster. Who knows how long they've been making VI, and I would like to think Hoshino was going to put the old characters in anyways. I'm pretty sure that Pyrrha is likely going to return, due to being an Alexandra girl, one of the three characters that Hoshino constantly promotes. She only reached #28 though, so who knows.

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#2800: May 18th 2016 at 6:24:08 AM

It's pretty funny that in V we didn't get, you know, aged up versions of the actual youngest characters like Talim, Amy (Epileptic Trees notwithstanding), or Yun-Seong.

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