I do like Lady Gaga, but "Born This Way" seemed less like a song and more like shameless pandering to me -_-
‽‽‽‽ ^These are interrobangs. Love them. Learn them. Use them.^^^When it's not men, it's an ad for Blacks/Asians/Hispanics/Turks/MiddleEasterners/Indians Only sites.
IS THERE NOBODY IN THIS WORLD FOR ME, AD-SERVER?
@Malk:Billy Joel is a thousand times better and you know it. Sir Elton is a distant second.
edited 10th May '11 1:36:54 PM by HungryJoe
Charlie Tunoku is a lover and a fighter.The ad server is recommending me a PS 3.
WTF.
Anyway, on topic, yeah I also find it wrong. Even worse than the usual stereoripes.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death itself may die."Stereotypes exist for a reason. They did not just appear out of nowhere.
There are black people with afros.
There are black people who speak in jive.
There are black people with big lips.
There are black people who play basketball.
There are black people who are "sassy."
There are black people with heavy set curves.
There are black people who are very, very tall.
Those are all traits that are "stereotypes" of a black person. More or less. Now, I can say with confidence that I have met each and every stereotype, at least once in my life.
HOWEVER, that does not mean that every black person is a jive speaking, afro wearing, sassy acting, basketball playing person.
And that is the difference.
Yes, there might be gays that do speak effeminately. It's a stereotype, but that doesn't make it completely untrue. What makes it untrue is when you automatically put it together with EVERY OTHER stereotype in the WORLD.
Everyone is a litle stereotypical and every stereotype is a little bit true, otherwise the stereotype wouldn't BE a stereotype to begin with.*
The key is to separate traits from associated traits, and not assume until proven.
edited 10th May '11 2:43:27 PM by MrAHR
Read my stories!I'm with AHR here. In my opinion, stereotypes are averages; traits one can reasonably expect to see in a group of people associated stereotypes. That doesn't mean ALL of said people have one of those traits; hell there are black people who don't fit any of the black stereotypes.
I think the gay stereotyping began after they started to become more visible.
I dunno, I'm not really qualified to talk about social issues.
I wonder how many gay people actually fit the stereotypes compared to those who don't.
Helpful Scripts and Stylesheets here.Meo— There are enough stereotypes that they probably fit one or the other. I've tried writing unstereotypical females for a long enough time to know that it is near impossible to escape complete stereotype.
Read my stories!Well, there is more than one stereotype in the world.
Just take a look at our archetypes.
The adserver - and not just the TV Tropes adserver, but seemingly every adserver on the entire Internet - has been trying to get me to date single moms for several months. It was when ads for single dads showed up that it got creepy.
Mache dich, mein Herze, rein...@ OP
"..Otherwise, they're just trying to act cool!" -
I hardly ever even hear of people actually predicting this kind of thing in the absence of pretty suggestive evidence (which, to be fair, conforming to the stereotype to a large extent would be.) So although this kind of thing is definitely happening, it may not mean what you think it means.
I kind of agree with Counterclock[7] .. it gets more acceptable, then it's cool to have 'known it all along'. Not really, but people do seem to derive some satisfaction from that supposed superior state of knowledge.
@ Ukonkivi:
Think that's an awareness thing too? People in general don't seem to take bi-ness seriously, like, we* don't really exist. I think it's fair to say, just like it used to be for gay people, bisexuals don't exist as persons to many people (possibly a majority) — they aren't familiar with any bi people, so what else do they have than media portrayals to estimate from? It's kind of like the difference between a 2.5d cutout (gay) and a flat one (bi) :/
(also, how did I not notice this was a snowclone?)
edited 11th May '11 2:20:24 AM by SavageOrange
'Don't beg for anything, do it yourself, or else you won't get anything.'

@Hungry Joe: The adserver is telling me to date guys and women. Well, at least it got my orientation right, I guess.
edited 10th May '11 1:34:05 PM by Saigyouji