So the fandom is in a tizzy agian due to this piece of official art uploaded by Platinum Games for Bayo 3's 1 year anniversary:
Other then that, Babby Viola pulling on Luka's face is adorable.
Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Oct 29th 2023 at 6:11:09 AM
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Considering Bayonetta Origins hammered it in even harder, I wonder what the Bayo fandom was expecting.
I'll say I don't have an issue with the idea of Bayo and Luca hooking up, I just found the actual execution of it in Bayo 3 rather slap-dashed and rushed.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."They really just gotta be content with Fanon Discontinuity. Bayonetta's become a vessel for Japanese heterosexual marriage propaganda.
Oissu!
I mean there are a lot of fake Bayonetta "Fans" on twitter talking about how it's fine that Bayonetta got her happy ending and settled down with a man.
Which really makes me laugh about how seemingly all the people gloating about Luka/Bayonetta being a thing didn't play the damn games.
You are not alone.As much as I normally enjoy Slider/time travel stories, Bayonetta 3's plot is a mess that feels disjointed from the previous games and schizophrenic in its execution.
It introduces a crap ton of new elements and characters with minimal warning, tries to make you believe that a multiverse was always there, makes a reference to Loki then never says anything else about it, has an entire subplot about Jeane getting duped by the main villain, has Luka suddenly be a powerful Christ-like figure.
Viola's entire gimmick is being a Butt-Monkey version of Nero from the Devil May Cry series.
The ending Deus ex Machina's by saying that Bayonetta 1 and 2 happened in completely different yet similar universes - a nonsensical Ass Pull retcon that doesn't appeal to anyone really and had a much simpler explanation. Then the ending is that our new versions of Bayonetta and Luka love each other so much that they go to Hell together.
Previous plot elements like time travel, the Left and Right Eyes, and the Umbran and Lumen mythology no longer matter.
It was a sequel trying to do way too much.
It's one of those games that succeeds because the soundtrack is catchy, the visuals are pretty, and the gameplay is more or less excellent.
Mind, Bayonetta's plot has always been garbage.
Edited by FOFD on Oct 30th 2023 at 7:41:51 AM
See the first 2 games plots are good. They are simple and straightforward. They aren't trying to do much and thats fine. Its like Devil May Cry, people aren't going to hold them to task for ultra-complex Legacy of Kaine storytelling.
Bayo 3 though was uber convoluted in a way in the first 2 games are not. It actively tried to do way more, with too many concepts, and it couldn't really handle it. Compared to the first 2 games which knew what story they were doing and didn't overreach, Bayo 3 didn't and suffered for it.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."@shirowShirow: Honestly, both sides of the Fandom war here are composed of Fake Fans, because the Bayo Jeanne ship was based on nothingburgers either (The concept art of Bayo and Jeanne living together was rejected internally, hence why its not in the Art of Bayonetta section in the game, and the one with the two of them naked was made for the anime movie and not from anyone at Platinum Games staff, for instance) and while I don't find the Idea of Bi Bayonetta bad at all (She's fabulous) The sheer volume of biphobia that exists because of that art is just ridiculous as the homophobes saying that Bayonetta is straight and only straight.
But in the meantime, I just find the art cute, and the edit of it with Luka in Dante Colors is great, too.
@Miraculous: Probably the same, honestly, as the fake boycott boosted sales that might have been lost because of Hellena Taylor's Scummy actions.
Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Oct 30th 2023 at 8:11:20 AM
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Bayo and Jeanne living together is canon though. It was mentioned in the intro of Bayonetta 2. Combining that with how the quest to rescue a loved one from the underworld is described as being romantic, and how Luka is heavily heavily de-emphasized in that game, and I think you can see how people got their hopes up.
I just don't like the implication that their can be a "prime" version of the multiverse, and thus implicitly a "prime" version of Bayonetta's life. Or the implication that Bayonetta and Luka are destined in every universe.
I could absolutely buy that there's universes where Bayonetta and Luka fall in love, have a kid together. But that its the "one way" for that to be? Honestly, I find it hard to believe that there's no universe where Bayonetta and Jeanne aren't in love.
And I also don't like the idea that Bayonetta 1 and 2 are separate universes from each other. That is big retcon.
Luka in 1 and 2 was always this weird Butt-Monkey Badass Normal presence meant to give exposition without it relying too much on As You Know. He was barely in 2 at all because at that point he wasn't needed anymore, we're familiar with how the world works. Bayo and Rodin (literally the verse's Satan) had more chemistry than Bayo and Luka did, and even that pales in comparison to how seemingly Bayo/Jeanne leaning 2 was. Either there was a major relationship writing fumble in 2 or Executive Meddling demanding that the gay be removed.
3 is just a clusterfuck of ideas with none of them getting developed properly. I guess that's why the game took so damn long to release.
Edited by PhiSat on Oct 30th 2023 at 9:25:18 AM
Oissu!I'm really sick of people calling biphobia on folks that don't like the Bayoluka ending. Just about everyone agrees Bayonetta swings both ways (Aside from the aforementioned trolls online that are using every opportunity to antagonize queer fans) but the fact is Bayoluka would feel shoehorned in if Luka happened to be a chick too.
And the whole "Destined Lovers across the multiverse" thing stings because it really enforces the heteronormativity extra hard. Bayonetta 3 doesn't feel like a bisexual woman choosing a male partner, it feels like it's erasing the entire idea Bayonetta could be with a woman.
(And this is all saying without mentioning the fact that Bayonetta first met the adult Luka when she was ten years old and Luka first met the adult Bayonetta when he was ten years old thanks to time travel shenanigans what the fuck is this 4d chess mutual grooming.)
You are not alone.

Those Alt-Bayo's are barely characters, there's not really much to say about them barring Egyptian Bayo.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."