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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1901: Sep 3rd 2023 at 1:52:26 PM

Those Alt-Bayo's are barely characters, there's not really much to say about them barring Egyptian Bayo.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1902: Sep 3rd 2023 at 2:03:44 PM

Wonder if the next game will let them do more?

At least we will get a next game thanks to the weird sales bump we had due to uh outside influences.

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Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#1903: Sep 4th 2023 at 11:58:42 PM

I wonder if Rodin is constant among the universes. We never see variants of him.

Dracoblade Since: May, 2009
#1904: Sep 12th 2023 at 11:25:57 PM

[up] He is. It's right there on his bio page in 3 — Rodin is a demon, and therefore there's only one of him. There one heaven, one hell, and multiple worlds of chaos.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1905: Sep 13th 2023 at 6:03:38 AM

It must suck to be an atheist or a physicist in the Bayonetta universe.

Dracoblade Since: May, 2009
#1906: Sep 13th 2023 at 2:33:54 PM

Honestly, it kinda sucks to be a normal person in the Bayo-verse in general — angels and devils are real, and they're all dicks.

...Oh, and fairies now, too. Who are also dicks.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#1907: Oct 29th 2023 at 2:08:45 PM

So the fandom is in a tizzy agian due to this piece of official art uploaded by Platinum Games for Bayo 3's 1 year anniversary:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/bayonetta_family.jpg

Other then that, Babby Viola pulling on Luka's face is adorable. waii

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Oct 29th 2023 at 6:11:09 AM

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ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1909: Oct 29th 2023 at 5:08:06 PM

Ripe heresey is what this is. An Umbran woman with a whateverthefck Luka is now.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#1910: Oct 29th 2023 at 6:19:36 PM

A Fairy Werewolf.

Considering Bayonetta Origins hammered it in even harder, I wonder what the Bayo fandom was expecting. [lol]

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1911: Oct 29th 2023 at 6:30:33 PM

I'll say I don't have an issue with the idea of Bayo and Luca hooking up, I just found the actual execution of it in Bayo 3 rather slap-dashed and rushed.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#1913: Oct 29th 2023 at 11:38:31 PM

I thought they're stuck in hell lol

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#1914: Oct 30th 2023 at 12:24:09 AM

[up] I mean there are a lot of fake Bayonetta "Fans" on twitter talking about how it's fine that Bayonetta got her happy ending and settled down with a man.

Which really makes me laugh about how seemingly all the people gloating about Luka/Bayonetta being a thing didn't play the damn games.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#1915: Oct 30th 2023 at 12:53:00 AM

To be fair though, should we subject anyone to Bayo 3's rancid plot? Nah, I think that's fine.

doomrider7 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1916: Oct 30th 2023 at 2:48:15 AM

[up]

What's wrong with the plot? Also, is the big mad about Bayo x Luka a universal thing or strictly a western one?

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#1917: Oct 30th 2023 at 4:38:22 AM

As much as I normally enjoy Slider/time travel stories, Bayonetta 3's plot is a mess that feels disjointed from the previous games and schizophrenic in its execution.

It introduces a crap ton of new elements and characters with minimal warning, tries to make you believe that a multiverse was always there, makes a reference to Loki then never says anything else about it, has an entire subplot about Jeane getting duped by the main villain, has Luka suddenly be a powerful Christ-like figure.

Viola's entire gimmick is being a Butt-Monkey version of Nero from the Devil May Cry series.

The ending Deus ex Machina's by saying that Bayonetta 1 and 2 happened in completely different yet similar universes - a nonsensical Ass Pull retcon that doesn't appeal to anyone really and had a much simpler explanation. Then the ending is that our new versions of Bayonetta and Luka love each other so much that they go to Hell together.

Previous plot elements like time travel, the Left and Right Eyes, and the Umbran and Lumen mythology no longer matter.

It was a sequel trying to do way too much.

It's one of those games that succeeds because the soundtrack is catchy, the visuals are pretty, and the gameplay is more or less excellent.

Mind, Bayonetta's plot has always been garbage.

Edited by FOFD on Oct 30th 2023 at 7:41:51 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1918: Oct 30th 2023 at 4:46:00 AM

See the first 2 games plots are good. They are simple and straightforward. They aren't trying to do much and thats fine. Its like Devil May Cry, people aren't going to hold them to task for ultra-complex Legacy of Kaine storytelling.

Bayo 3 though was uber convoluted in a way in the first 2 games are not. It actively tried to do way more, with too many concepts, and it couldn't really handle it. Compared to the first 2 games which knew what story they were doing and didn't overreach, Bayo 3 didn't and suffered for it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#1919: Oct 30th 2023 at 5:00:32 AM

I kinda wonder how sales would have been if the game didn't receive a massive increase from that miserably failed boycott.

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#1920: Oct 30th 2023 at 5:10:23 AM

@shirowShirow: Honestly, both sides of the Fandom war here are composed of Fake Fans, because the Bayo Jeanne ship was based on nothingburgers either (The concept art of Bayo and Jeanne living together was rejected internally, hence why its not in the Art of Bayonetta section in the game, and the one with the two of them naked was made for the anime movie and not from anyone at Platinum Games staff, for instance) and while I don't find the Idea of Bi Bayonetta bad at all (She's fabulous) The sheer volume of biphobia that exists because of that art is just ridiculous as the homophobes saying that Bayonetta is straight and only straight.

But in the meantime, I just find the art cute, and the edit of it with Luka in Dante Colors is great, too. [lol]

@Miraculous: Probably the same, honestly, as the fake boycott boosted sales that might have been lost because of Hellena Taylor's Scummy actions.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Oct 30th 2023 at 8:11:20 AM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#1921: Oct 30th 2023 at 6:01:43 AM

[up]Bayo and Jeanne living together is canon though. It was mentioned in the intro of Bayonetta 2. Combining that with how the quest to rescue a loved one from the underworld is described as being romantic, and how Luka is heavily heavily de-emphasized in that game, and I think you can see how people got their hopes up.

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1922: Oct 30th 2023 at 6:25:05 AM

I just don't like the implication that their can be a "prime" version of the multiverse, and thus implicitly a "prime" version of Bayonetta's life. Or the implication that Bayonetta and Luka are destined in every universe.

I could absolutely buy that there's universes where Bayonetta and Luka fall in love, have a kid together. But that its the "one way" for that to be? Honestly, I find it hard to believe that there's no universe where Bayonetta and Jeanne aren't in love.

And I also don't like the idea that Bayonetta 1 and 2 are separate universes from each other. That is big retcon.

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#1923: Oct 30th 2023 at 7:34:49 AM

[up][up]Honestly never seen romantic to me. More like sisters.

Then again DMC also has this weird fans that see Dante and Vergil more than brothers.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#1924: Oct 30th 2023 at 8:21:28 AM

Luka in 1 and 2 was always this weird Butt-Monkey Badass Normal presence meant to give exposition without it relying too much on As You Know. He was barely in 2 at all because at that point he wasn't needed anymore, we're familiar with how the world works. Bayo and Rodin (literally the verse's Satan) had more chemistry than Bayo and Luka did, and even that pales in comparison to how seemingly Bayo/Jeanne leaning 2 was. Either there was a major relationship writing fumble in 2 or Executive Meddling demanding that the gay be removed.

3 is just a clusterfuck of ideas with none of them getting developed properly. I guess that's why the game took so damn long to release.

Edited by PhiSat on Oct 30th 2023 at 9:25:18 AM

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ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#1925: Oct 30th 2023 at 8:43:28 AM

The sheer volume of biphobia that exists because of that art is just ridiculous as the homophobes saying that Bayonetta is straight and only straight.

I'm really sick of people calling biphobia on folks that don't like the Bayoluka ending. Just about everyone agrees Bayonetta swings both ways (Aside from the aforementioned trolls online that are using every opportunity to antagonize queer fans) but the fact is Bayoluka would feel shoehorned in if Luka happened to be a chick too.

And the whole "Destined Lovers across the multiverse" thing stings because it really enforces the heteronormativity extra hard. Bayonetta 3 doesn't feel like a bisexual woman choosing a male partner, it feels like it's erasing the entire idea Bayonetta could be with a woman.

(And this is all saying without mentioning the fact that Bayonetta first met the adult Luka when she was ten years old and Luka first met the adult Bayonetta when he was ten years old thanks to time travel shenanigans what the fuck is this 4d chess mutual grooming.)

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