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(I saw Allan mention the lack of one so I thought I'd make one.)

Recent political stuff:

  • The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
  • Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
  • The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.

A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 7th 2024 at 4:50:10 PM

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#21426: Apr 26th 2016 at 2:43:28 AM

Guardian Op-Ed: Jeremy Hunt could have stopped this doctors’ strike. But he wanted it.

Although it’s junior doctors today, the real target is the entire public sector. No 10 craves a miners’ strike moment

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#21427: Apr 26th 2016 at 4:01:21 AM

only difference is the public will side with the strikers, this is nothing like the miners strikes, The Winter of Discontent had came before and turned a lot of people off the unions, right now all they see are the doctors being abused by a Tory government looking to dismantle the NHS piece by piece

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#21429: Apr 26th 2016 at 12:32:40 PM

I've been seeing in the news that today the Hillsborough inquest has concluded that the disaster there 27 years ago was definitively caused by poor design of the stadium and by failures on the part of police and ambulance services. Wonder what this will mean for, say, re-litigation.

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#21430: Apr 26th 2016 at 12:37:16 PM

It was found by a jury that they were unwalfully killed, meaning it's possible that the folks responsible could be charged with something, be it manslaughter or something else.

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#21431: Apr 26th 2016 at 12:40:46 PM

[up] If they are still alive.

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#21433: Apr 26th 2016 at 4:44:27 PM

That seems to be more chonic stupidity and anti-Israel sentiment then anti-semitism, the posts seem to have been about Israel, not Jewish people. I mean it's still an asshole thing that acts as if the Israeli people have no right to self determination.

It being mainly anti-Israel is not to say that it's not incredibly stupid and that the party shouldn't have someone who checks parliamentary candidates social media history for stupid ass comments, but I'm seeing more bone headed stupidity/disregard for self determination then anti-semitism.

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#21434: Apr 26th 2016 at 5:13:19 PM

Thousands of doctors prepare to strike for second day

Hunt said:

"Health secretaries are never popular. You are never going to win a contest for being the most liked person when you do this job. But what history judges is: did you take the tough and difficult decisions that enabled the NHS to deliver high-quality care for patients? For me, that's what it's about."

Does he mean history will judge him the same way it's judged him over the comments he made in 2010 that linked the Hillsborough tragedy to hooliganism?

I'm quite sure history will indeed remember Hunt. I'm just not sure the reality is going to be quite the same as the little fantasy he's got playing inside his head.

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#21436: Apr 27th 2016 at 8:20:59 AM

Well BBC breaking news just said she's been suspended from the party for the comments, because duh, they were pretty fucked up comments.

edited 27th Apr '16 8:21:29 AM by Silasw

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#21437: Apr 27th 2016 at 8:59:40 AM

[up] I think the Labour Party are indeed aware that they might have a problem with anti-Semitism, judging from recent comments made the McDonnell.

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#21438: Apr 27th 2016 at 9:12:44 AM

I think it's also running into the social media generation problem, it's got a fair number of folks who were active on social media before going into politics starting to come out he ranks, many of them them have said stupid thinks that previously would have just been said at a private event and never known about.

Though again I stand that while the statements were clearly outrageous, stupid and anti-Israel they don't seem to have been specifically anti-Semitic. Though when you're throwing away the right of a people to choose their own fate doing it based on nationality instead of ethnio-religious grouping seems a pointless distinction.

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#21439: Apr 28th 2016 at 5:39:07 AM

Why suspend her now if she made the comments before she became an MP? Bolting an empty stable, surely, especially given that she's apologised?

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#21440: Apr 28th 2016 at 5:43:27 AM

Because someone who believes that kind of thing is not wanted in the party, now she might have reformed but generally we're pretty careful about letting former bigots become M Ps, plus she only apologised when caught. It's not bolting an empty stable so much as going "shit we had no idea".

Speaking of all this, Red Ken Livingston has also been suspended after defending her.

edited 28th Apr '16 5:44:17 AM by Silasw

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#21441: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:04:29 AM

Ed Balls

also, that is the normal rhetoric from Ken, he has always been very outspoken, and controversial, when it comes to Israel, however a problem I have is that criticism of Israel and its policies is increasingly being viewed as anti-Semitism

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#21442: Apr 28th 2016 at 6:48:24 AM

Not Ken's first brush with antisemitism allegations by a long way.

In 2005 I had to tell a customer that my company didn't allow me to make political comments.

edited 28th Apr '16 6:51:35 AM by Michael

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#21443: Apr 28th 2016 at 8:12:52 AM

Ken's statement for the curious.

"When Hitler won his election in 1932 his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews."

I'm just gonna go ahead and bang my head against a wall for a bit.

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#21444: Apr 28th 2016 at 8:15:42 AM

I think Ken may be going a bit senile

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#21445: Apr 28th 2016 at 8:33:00 AM

He needs a minder to smack him every time he trying to mention Hitler in a discussion about Israel.

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#21447: Apr 28th 2016 at 12:06:43 PM

[up][up][up]I think Ken went a long time ago.

Winter 04/05 a journalist who Ken was annoyed with mentioned that he was a part of the local Jewish community to which Ken replied "No you're not, you're a concentration camp guard"

Never mind being slapped by a minder, he needs Bob

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#21448: Apr 28th 2016 at 12:35:03 PM

A "journalist" is going a bit far, he said that to someone who worked for the Mail, one of if not the most racist, anti-Semitic and bigoted papers in the country. I think his comparison was off but I can understand being confused at a Jewish person works for a paper that supported Hitler (and has continued to thsi day to express views in line with that past support for Hitler).

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#21449: Apr 28th 2016 at 12:51:34 PM

[up] It wasn't the Mail, it was the Evening Standard — although, at the time, both were part of the same group (Associated Newspapers), and the journalist was Andrew Gilligan, the journalist who had previously coined the term "sexed up (dossier)".

edited 28th Apr '16 12:53:08 PM by Greenmantle

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#21450: Apr 28th 2016 at 1:13:28 PM

Right "Mail group" I misread the previous link.

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