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    Original OP 
(I saw Allan mention the lack of one so I thought I'd make one.)

Recent political stuff:

  • The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
  • Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
  • The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.

A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 7th 2024 at 4:50:10 PM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#50351: Jul 30th 2025 at 9:37:55 PM

It sounds like Starmer's "Labour: It's not like you have a choice" attitude is finally backfiring. Unfortunately, said backfire is happening in a FPTP system.

Edited by Ramidel on Jul 30th 2025 at 9:38:16 AM

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#50352: Jul 30th 2025 at 11:04:16 PM

Yeah the whole thing has the air of center-rightists smugly telling leftists that the center-right party masquerading as a left wing one is entitled to their vote because the alternative is turbo fascism.

Which is why they’re running scared of the Corbynist party.

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#50353: Jul 30th 2025 at 11:25:11 PM

You know, my impression from the topic-that-shall-not-be-discussed and Denmark is that it actually works (contra Azorius), but the UK has other issues too and they'd require a much more drastic solution than just changing immigration laws.

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#50354: Jul 31st 2025 at 5:40:07 AM

While there are many admirable qualities of Denmark, their approach to immigration and race isn't exactly something I feel is worth replicating, especially the law requiring that the population of "immigrants from non-Western countries and their descendants" should never make up more than 50% of the population in any given area.

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#50355: Jul 31st 2025 at 5:44:04 AM

Yikes.

I hope there's more context to that.

Edited by Bisected8 on Jul 31st 2025 at 1:44:19 PM

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#50356: Jul 31st 2025 at 5:47:45 AM

OK, but that's on the morals, not the electoral effectiveness which were our previous points (that and my impression is that the effect of letting people self-segregate by areas is overwhelmingly negative in many aspects)

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#50357: Jul 31st 2025 at 6:17:51 AM

[up] Apologies, I wasn't trying to deny electoral success but more point out that the country is clearly comfortable with far more hardline policies than most. And while "ghettoes" definitely aren't a good thing, the whole "white people can never be a minority" is at best somewhat problematic.

Edited by Azorius24 on Jul 31st 2025 at 2:18:14 PM

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Omega1065 Since: Nov, 2023
#50358: Jul 31st 2025 at 9:02:41 AM

Honestly, If I was a British citizen I would just stick it with the LibDems and not bother with Labour as whole right now.

Edited by Omega1065 on Jul 31st 2025 at 6:03:07 PM

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#50359: Jul 31st 2025 at 9:16:09 AM

All the alternative leftist parties have issues. The Greens are having a civil war over trans rights, the Lib Dems can't decide what their deal is...

I voted Lib Dem last election, but I'm still low key unhappy about what they did in coalition with the Tories (it doesn't help that I was a student at the time).

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#50360: Jul 31st 2025 at 9:50:22 AM

The Lib Dems seem like a relatively good choice as they are a Left-leaning party who have a higher chance of getting in than the Greens and aren't Labour. But they certainly struggle with their identity (though which Left-leaning party doesn't?). On one hand, that's maybe too their benefit since I would assume they attract people from across the political spectrum. On the other than, it would likely translate poorly to actual leadership. I'm no expert though.

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#50361: Jul 31st 2025 at 9:53:45 AM

> Honestly, If I was a British citizen I would just stick it with the Lib Dems and not bother with Labour as whole right now.

they're a third party and the serious choices are Labour or Conservatives,

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#50362: Jul 31st 2025 at 10:02:20 AM

That's not as true as it is in the USA.

Lib Dems were one of the two "main" parties not too long ago. The Tories have lost out significantly after the last election (to the point that they might well end up as a 3rd party if things get any worse). Even if the two main parties are hard to unseat, it's very common for parliament to end up hung, leaving us with a coalition government (in fact the Con-LibDem one partially came about because people upset with Labour voted for LD expecting them to go into office with Labour, rather than the Tories).

Plus you don't vote for a party directly; you elect your local MP. Some people just elect their local MP along party lines, but it's just as common for third party or independent MP to be elected because their constituency likes them more.

Edited by Bisected8 on Jul 31st 2025 at 6:03:46 PM

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#50363: Jul 31st 2025 at 10:55:50 AM

[up][up] Hint hint, most countries outside the US don't work this way.

Anyways, if I was English, I wouldn't vote for the Lib Dems. My own personal experience with Liberals has been rotten, to the point I wouldn't even want them in coalition. Even with their issues, I'd vote for the Greens.

If I was Welsh or Scottish, left-leaning independentists.

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#50364: Jul 31st 2025 at 11:46:58 AM

The U.K. still uses First Past the Post, now we’re not as bad as the US but there are plenty of constituencies where you are only really looking at a choice between Labour and the Conservatives, now there are others where the Lib Dem’s are one of the two realistic parties (also some with the Greens, some with Independents and some with Reform), but I don’t think any English seats have neither Labour or the Conservatives as one of the top two parties. Wales and Scotland will have a handful of such seats.

So who it’s viable to vote for is very local dependent even within the different nations of the U.K.

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#50365: Jul 31st 2025 at 5:49:19 PM

> Hint hint, most countries outside the US don't work this way.

I am more then aware of this,but 30 years its always been either Labour or Conservative,and believe me I'd love to have a change of dominant parties I just don't see it happening unless there's serious electoral reform

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#50366: Jul 31st 2025 at 6:20:34 PM

[up]… which neither major party will support so long as they can potentially benefit from it.

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#50367: Aug 1st 2025 at 10:10:43 AM

So with age verification though I Ds on the horizon in the near future for the internet, is TV tropes going to install an age verification system in the future?

Like companies and governments are pushing this so aggressively that it's reported that GTA 6 online will required you to use your ID to play it, which I'm sure people are uncomfortable about especially after that tea app hack that happened which is what people are worried about along with being tracked and prosecuted over something saying negative about somebody, In this case (and possibly others who go down in this route) the UK government.

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#50368: Aug 1st 2025 at 10:22:04 AM

Also about You Tube, it's weird YouTubers aren't making a big deal out of this like it's bigger than a adpocalypse. The big ones I know that talk about this are moist critical and some ordinary gamer, who's in some controversy right now over him lying about the fact that he is an engineer for 10 years?

I don't know the whole story surrounding that but the point is I haven't seen others like make a big deal about it as if they silently accepted it or even agree with it because it solves the problem involving kids watching questionable content, even if privacy of other people is being sacrificed and there's the fact that the sacrifice is going to be pointless if people find out how to bypass the age verification system.

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#50369: Aug 1st 2025 at 10:56:53 AM

[up][up] I hope that this website never pursuits an idea like that.

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#50370: Aug 1st 2025 at 10:58:46 AM

[up][up][up] TVTropes hosts no adult content. So why would it?

I've yet to see age checks anywhere I wouldn't expect it tbh.

Edited by dcutter2 on Aug 1st 2025 at 6:59:07 PM

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#50371: Aug 1st 2025 at 11:58:42 AM

[up] and [up][up] True but I keep hearing that these laws are adding vague definitions on what can be considered "adult" content which is like another issue surrounding this whole thing. like it's basically an excuse to censor something that's not even inherently nsfw, hence you get a situation like that one horror game and others that were removed from itch.io and the issues surrounding credit card processors policies, which are part of why those games were removed if I'm understanding it correctly.

Edited by Effect7 on Aug 1st 2025 at 12:00:03 PM

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#50372: Aug 1st 2025 at 2:36:58 PM

Considering that Wikipedia has been labelled "Category 1" under these laws and is currently trying to argue its case in court (and will just geoblock the UK if it loses because it can't afford to implement ID), TvTropes facing a similar problem isn't actually that farfetched. It may host no adult content, but it discusses some adult subjects in a very frank manner, and apparently that's bad enough.

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#50373: Aug 1st 2025 at 2:38:29 PM

we're not Social media so we shouldn't be effected

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#50374: Aug 1st 2025 at 2:41:22 PM

Neither is Wikipedia

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#50375: Aug 1st 2025 at 2:50:48 PM

Have we got a source on Wikipedia being targetted? All I could find was articles from a couple of years ago about Wikipedia saying if asked they will refused to comply.

And This one. Apparently wiki is suing the government of it but even there it says "There is still no guarantee that Ofcom, which is enforcing the OSA, will consider Wikipedia to qualify as a Category 1 service, only that it is likely under the current framework. "


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