Isn't this subjective/YMMV?: Polygon Ceiling

Possibly even flame bait?

I'm not much of a gamer, so maybe I'm missing something here, but it certainly looks like it.

Oh yes its Flame Bait, Subjective and YMMV.

The name is also very very bad for "poorly done jump from 2D to 3D" or "just not as good in 3D as it was in 2D".

edited 1st May '11 4:34:31 AM by Raso

Well if you are familiar with the term "glass ceiling", it makes more sense, as it's a about some series hitting a ceiling with Polygonal Graphics.

Plus you should have seen the old name.

"Sonic Syndrome" actually makes more sense than the current name. (Not that its very good itself.)

Eh, I think we should avoid names like "Sonic Syndrome"...

I never said it was good. It just makes a bit more sense than this name. I happen to like the 3D sonic games on dreamcast... which is why I said this does need to be YMMV / Flame Bait or whatever.

edited 1st May '11 4:53:01 AM by Raso

No, that only works if you know the series and its situation with it.

And don't even tell me that other people must know. That's a form of Opinion Myopia.

edited 1st May '11 4:52:24 AM by DragonQuestZ

Polygon Ceiling is cleverer than Sonic Syndrome, but I don't think it's clearer.

Added the YMMV banner for now, because it's definitely that. Will change to Flame Bait if necessary.

I'm surprised that the YMMV banner wasn't added earlier, but oh well.

As far as the name is concerned, I'm alright with "Polygon Ceiling". It's helluva lot better than 'Sonic Syndrome', at any rate.

The name is perfectly fine.

Someone should probably explain the name because I really don't get it. Adding an explanation on the page might help too.

The word ceiling used in terms like this, means that you've run into the highest bit you can go, and you can't keep going higher. Basically, you've hit the ceiling. In this case, it's the idea that the designers have hit an obstacle polygons, representing 3D, and can't go any higher with the series until they figure out how to bust through it.

It's a really common construction in English and has been used for centuries.

edited 1st May '11 7:49:34 AM by shimaspawn

I what ceiling means I should of put down how it relates to the trope, but it's rather tough to put it together with the trope as most of them are good games on their own but franchise fans just didnt like them.

Anyway I seem to be the only one who thinks this so shutting up... Sorry.

I'll second Shima, "ceiling" is used that way in english a lot. "Floor" is too.

This is not a subjective trope, and I'm beginning to hate YMMV. The examples are well-written and pretty much catalog every franchise that has had trouble adjusting to a 3D play-style. Take it out, please.

Please explain to me how it is not subjective, first. It looks to me like a value judgement is being made here.

Because the trope isn't "Its 3 D Now It Sucks," it's "The transition from 2D to 3D not going as smoothly." Every game on that list has had well cataloged and documented reviews that the 3D examples aren't as held in high regard as the 2D ones (particularly Sonic) and there genuinely issues with translating that kind of gameplay to a 3D based one.

The subjective opinions of game reviewers are still subjective opinions. Compare how, for a work to qualify as So Bad It's Horrible, it has to have been panned by multiple critics and enjoyed by practically nobody - but it's still a subjective trope. Not seeing how this is any different.

edited 1st May '11 10:03:36 AM by BobbyG

So games like Mortal Kombat and Sonic didn't have problems making the Video Game 3D Leap? They didn't have a lot of issues in regards of translating the 2D mechanics to 3D so much so they had to go back to a 2D plane? This isn't just opinion, these games really did have some issue with making what was great about them work on the 3D space.

I'm not sure what you mean. Problems in the sense that they weren't very good? Or what?

Problems in the sense that the core mechanics don't work in a 3D space. The fighting game example is a good one, mainly to do the speed of the matches and projectiles not working with 3D models. 3D fighters (well, the games that succeeded in that genre) play totally different than a 2D one.

With Sonic, the issue is speed and the stages and Sega tried and tried again too translate well, but it didn't work either. They've had some sort of issue with the camera following Sonic and controls (an issue not present in the 2D games).

But then, what do you mean by "not work"? I haven't played any 3D Mortal Kombat title, but the 3D Sonic games are serviceable; it's not like it's impossible to win them or anything like that. So they work, they just weren't as good as the earlier games. Which is subjective, therefore YMMV.

One problem, at least in Sonic's case: the 3D titles have their fans, too. Not quite as many as those of the 2D titles, but enough to make it something of a subjective case.

By what I mean by not work: I'm not the biggest fighting game-head, but there's a flow to 2D fighting games that can't really be replicated with the 3D space. There's speed, the projectiles, the hitboxes, the controls...I mean just compare how Tekken plays as opposed to Street Fighter.

I guess what I'm saying is that it would be fine to put this in YMMV if the trope was THIS GAME SUCKS NOW THAT IT'S IN 3D but I'm not seeing anything wrong with the examples/main paragraph and it's written in a nuanced tone.

Hmm... I think I'm following what you're saying, but I don't think I agree. You're saying that some things which are possible in 2 dimensions aren't possible to replicate in 3, yes?

But then, that's obvious. It's a completely different medium. That in itself is not a trope, surely.