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Dragon573 Sanity not included from Sitting at a bonfire Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#51: May 1st 2011 at 4:25:45 PM

Oh, I know! And I really appreciate you comming to my defense like that! It's more of a "My actions, through a series of events, led to them losing a commander" I suppose...

It's kind of funny. Sufficiently advanced stupidity is like sufficiently advanced science; eventually, you find something you can't solve.
lockonlockon Game Master from In a dream Since: Jan, 2001
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#52: May 1st 2011 at 5:09:13 PM

In any case, I may as well formally introduce myself. I'm the series creator, and Centauri GM, as well as the writer for Centauri.

As for Ascalon, we just need a decent system to shove it into. It's just full of peasants descended from Western Europe.

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Hydrall Since: Jun, 2009
#53: May 1st 2011 at 5:17:16 PM

Here's a list of the Fed territory, minus descriptions as I've yet to find time enough. The Six Main Worlds will likely be shuffled around a bit while working on descriptions.

And point out anything you'd like added, removed, stuff I missed, and/or places you'd like to claim.

Federation Systems (Revised)

THE SIX MAIN STARS

  • Sol
    • Venus
    • Earth
      • Luna
    • Mars
    • Jupiter and moons
  • Tsumankyo
    • Kyotame
    • Lai Dame
  • Feldun
    • Berez
    • Thor
  • Morial
    • Gürtel
    • Nizar
    • Balrog
  • Tallen
    • Legion
    • Maximillian
  • Helios
    • Aeris

THE TWELVE COLONIES

  • Arturia
    • Raijur
  • Millius
    • Defrin
    • Pen
  • Huffalump
    • Hundert
    • Acre
      • Wald
  • Grenadine
    • Nal Daime
  • Peilang
    • Xishu
  • Mooshteroof
    • Loutrez
  • Armartain
    • Westeros
  • Tolkien
    • Gandor
  • Angelos
    • Michael
    • Raphael
  • Ichthea
    • Aqus
  • Yusufa
    • Tarif
  • Ergez
    • Lolul
    • Axil

THE THREE FRONTIERS

  • Nikita
  • Homol
  • L778

edited 10th May '11 2:40:57 AM by Hydrall

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#54: May 2nd 2011 at 9:49:25 AM

Would I be wrong to assume that Earth, actually, the entire Sol System is a super enormously populated one?

I was under the impression Lai Dame and Aeris were border worlds.

edited 2nd May '11 10:26:20 AM by Parable

Hydrall Since: Jun, 2009
#55: May 2nd 2011 at 11:49:39 AM

Good point, they'll probably be shunted down to the colonies.

Also, you would not be incorrect in that assumption. The Sol System is extremely densely populated.

Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#56: May 2nd 2011 at 11:55:24 AM

I vote for keeping them principle planets. My Gaiden works under the assumption that Aeris has a population in the low billions.

edited 2nd May '11 11:55:44 AM by Fauxlosophe

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#57: May 2nd 2011 at 11:58:18 AM

Makes me wonder what the Centauri are doing trying to colonize there if it so dominanted by the Federation. I thought they were just after the LD sector.

edited 2nd May '11 11:58:42 AM by Parable

Hydrall Since: Jun, 2009
#58: May 2nd 2011 at 11:59:58 AM

I dunno. It does seem a bit odd that the Centauri would be invading planets, considering their stance is that of defense. Unless that's been a lost in the centuries a bit.

Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#59: May 2nd 2011 at 12:02:05 PM

I imagine that at this point anywhere they can get a foothold and strategic advantage they'd take. Regardless of politics.

Maybe it shuts off a few Flow routes giving easy access to other star systems, maybe the Mythril is just that abundant or a fully terraformed world just promises to be too tempting a target to turn down. Or maybe just the prospect of putting the Federation on the defensive.

It didn't make much sense to me that so much fighting would be done over a backwater colony.

edited 2nd May '11 12:03:38 PM by Fauxlosophe

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#60: May 2nd 2011 at 12:05:02 PM

Invading can work with a defensive stance in many ways. But to outright annex a major world would be like the US going to war with Mexcio and then Mexico trying to claim San Diego for settlers.

Faux gave good examples. But you had previously mentioned colonists, which is confusing me.

edited 2nd May '11 12:06:32 PM by Parable

Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#61: May 2nd 2011 at 12:11:37 PM

'Cept they've been in and out of war for about a hundred years, I believe it was said. I imagine the Federation's advantage is marginal or else the Cents would have been wiped a long time ago.

'Sides, I'd like to cite both UC One Year War for an obvious mecha example and Defense Scheme No. 1 for something that runs fairly close in parallel with your analogy.

[up] Cents have tried some degree of assimilation. A decent portion is just taking into account the massive amount of personnel it'd take to occupy an entire planet. Throw their families in account and you've got a decent number of settlers. Throw in a few tax incentives and you'd have a few groups willing to take the risks and move to the fairly settled regions of the planet for cheap real-estate and a fresh start.

edited 2nd May '11 12:14:20 PM by Fauxlosophe

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#62: May 2nd 2011 at 1:29:37 PM

If Aeris is one of their core worlds then I don't see why the Cents would deliberately expand the field of battle by colonizing like that. Its turning a border war into a conquest. Your first idea of taking it to screw with their supply lines sounded better.

I put the list of planets at the timeline in the OP. Faux, I hope you plan on keeping track of time in Aeris Gaiden.

Hydrall Since: Jun, 2009
#63: May 2nd 2011 at 2:08:28 PM

The battle for Aeris seems to be a case of no one backing down, especially considering how we've portrayed the commanders. By this point, if real life holds true, the orbit's going to be a junkyard and they'll need surface-to-space cannons to launch from planetside. Or really good shields.

Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#64: May 3rd 2011 at 2:59:51 PM

Newvoellian Calender

Commonly amongst Gallian and other Franco-descended ethnicities, The Newvoelian calender can technically refer to several different time measurement systems, the most common being the Universal Newvoelian Calender, which uses Old France on Earth as a basis for time measurement, keeping the Months and Days of the Old Revolution. Renaming holidays accordingly.

However most planets have adapted the Calender to closer suit their needs. All Newvoellian Calenders commence from the ascension of the first Emperor [marked ATC] but many alter the year length and month division according to the planet's orbit. Thus while to those using the UNC in space it is 329 A.T.C. to those on Aeris [with a 255 day orbit] it is 534.

Each day is named. Planets with shorter years simply knock off the unused days while Planets with longer years simply follow the pattern of theme naming with local plants and tools.

Leap Years are adjusted for with Holidays. On Aeris, every 50 years, there is a 15 day shift forward, which is accounted for by removing the holidays [This happened four years ago. The holidays became transferable time that could be celebrated at anypoint].

Days are metric. Divided into 10 hours, 10 minutes and 10 seconds. The actual length of a second varies from calender from calender.

edited 3rd May '11 3:41:40 PM by Fauxlosophe

SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here Since: Jan, 2010
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#65: May 3rd 2011 at 6:03:26 PM

I think metric days might make things rather complicated.

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#67: May 3rd 2011 at 7:51:07 PM

Crazy ass Babylonians and their weird time things..

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Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#68: May 4th 2011 at 12:34:02 AM

[up][up] Not any more than the Metric System. It's based on the revolutionary French Calender which used a Decimal Time System, and a similar system was also implemented in China for much of its history.

On Earth conversion is 0.864 Standard Seconds to a Decimal Second, and 2.4 Standard Hours [or 8,640 seconds] to a Decimal Hour. Other planets with different rotations would obviously have varying systems.

edited 4th May '11 12:34:33 AM by Fauxlosophe

Hydrall Since: Jun, 2009
#69: May 4th 2011 at 3:07:26 AM

... So there are ten seconds per minute, ten minutes per hour, and ten hours per day? That seems like it would be a bit an annoying system to get used to. Would clocks only have five numbers on them? What would noon be, 5:05? And if every planet would have a different system, that means it isn't at all standardized...

As for the calender, are you really going to think up a name for every day?

edited 4th May '11 3:09:41 AM by Hydrall

Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#70: May 4th 2011 at 8:38:48 AM

There'd be then numbers, unlike our clock it doesn't repeat. Noon is 5:00.

There is a standard system to how make it but it varies from planet to planet. Since a single universal time is almost irrelevant to someone on the other side of the globe, let alone a different planet [I imagine the Common Time system measures of off Greenwich Mean Time]. The individual planetary calendars would, at very least, be common among farmers and other professions that have the remotest issue with seasons since the orbit of these planets are very likely to be longer or shorter than Earth's.

The names are already there. As I said, I'm stealing it off the French revolutionary calendar. If you're willing to see a two hundred and twenty five day list including months then I can show you the Oelian version or else just read the original French: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_Calendar.

edited 4th May '11 8:42:56 AM by Fauxlosophe

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#71: May 4th 2011 at 8:40:00 AM

...if you redefine the length of a second you have to redefine most every scientific unit. No culture in their right mind would go through the amount of effort and infrastructure instability to change a system that works just fine as it is.

Since this is based on Earth's systems before your system took effect, you'd need to justify why things like that would change.

edited 4th May '11 8:45:37 AM by SOCR

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Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#72: May 4th 2011 at 8:45:20 AM

'Cept revolutionary France.

Considering they're off Earth, they'd need to implement major changes to the time system anyway for the reasons cited above. Considering the Centauri, basing it off old France doesn't seem like too surprising a choice.

Also consider that it may well have been originally conceived of and implemented in some form during the dark ages where in universalized scientific units may have had already been in risk of being lost and the Edeners would have a reason to be sceptical as to whether or not they were keeping track of time properly. Not to mention a sense/desire for independence from Earth and asserting independence for themselves.

I see no reason an Oelian DS couldn't later [after synchronization with the Earth Federation] co-exist with a Standard Second in the same way a foot and a metre do.

edited 4th May '11 8:49:52 AM by Fauxlosophe

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#73: May 4th 2011 at 8:49:48 AM

I would think that would be even more evidence towards them keeping the old system; they cant afford to recalibrate the basic operating unit of most of their equipment without rendering it inoperable.

It also means Fed and Cents cant communicate using digital means.

edited 4th May '11 8:51:30 AM by SOCR

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Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#74: May 4th 2011 at 8:52:48 AM

The dark ages lasted several hundred years. It's doubtful they had much old equipment and they'd likely be manufacturing new equipment based off it. The idea that a few cultures would decide to sod it and put in a new measurement system that was practical and worked for them is far from unprecedented.

The Newvoellians are a minority within Centauri. They preserve their calenders and time system in the countries they operate in but switch to the Universal one for external affairs. Keep in mind that we're fully able to keep native languages even as technology progresses. The alternative eliminates the possibility of native language and even insular culture as well, which honestly regardless of technology and globalization [or universalization(?)] seems impossible to me. Even if everyone was forced to learn Solari and native languages were brutally suppressed, after a few generations without contact the people on one side of Eden would be speaking a drastically different Solari then the ones on the other side of Eden, let alone Atlantica. Wouldn't be long until each Solari could officially be considered a different language.

edited 4th May '11 8:59:23 AM by Fauxlosophe

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#75: May 4th 2011 at 8:58:59 AM

The thing is the old system works just as well, you can modify it using all the same means you're saying your new system adapts to interplanetary quirks. So it would make no sense at all for the Feds to use such a system, and when you can say the Cents use a different system that opens up a huge amount of unnecessary and minor problems with the relations between the two empires. What are we gaining for the various wrenches in the works we're throwing at this?

How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?

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