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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#24726: Jul 11th 2015 at 7:34:56 PM

That was a bizarrely hostile reaction to Masterofchaos' "shitpost."

I probably wouldn't have said anything if they had just done it now. But if you say you're going to do something and multiple people ask you not to and say it would be annoying, and you do it anyway - I think some irritation is justified.

As for setting: as I've said before, Weird West is too specific and restrictive, but my thoughts have generally been along the lines of the American West. So some kind of scrubby desert bleeding unrealistically quickly (though I'd prefer it if we not make a big deal out of that) into forests sounds good. As for the characters' "base of operations", an abandoned fort seems more like a target for exploration, so I'd personally be in favor of a tiny frontier-style town.

edited 11th Jul '15 7:38:51 PM by nrjxll

Masterofchaos Since: Dec, 2010
#24727: Jul 11th 2015 at 7:49:35 PM

[up]

...I would type a reply but instead I'm just gonna move on from this.

Anyway, does anyone else have another suggestion for a new thread, or are we gonna decide between the desert or the military base?

Wolf1066 Crazy Kiwi from New Zealand (Veteran) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
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#24728: Jul 11th 2015 at 8:00:00 PM

Weird West is a genre, not the whole setting, no reason it couldn't incorporate North American deserts and wildernesses, mountain ranges, rivers. It also suggests a certain tech level or era and a certain theme.

I've got nothing against a "Western" setting.

I like the idea of that tech level as a change from the high-tech world of Capital City where everything's just a taxi/bus trip away or available through the ubiquitous computer network. Regardless of whether the theme is "western" or not.

High tech or futuristic characters would still "work" - they just wouldn't have the local infrastructure they're used to.

You could hide things plenty well in something like North American woodlands - especially if it's on a mountain range with ridges, narrow river valleys etc - and you could have a North American type desert and mesas nearby - the idea of them being too compressed to be natural is fine, adds to the weirdness.

[up][up]Frontier town sounds good to me. Some place where there's enough infrastructure to get supplies, find a room, have a drink between forays into the nearby desert and wilderness.

edited 11th Jul '15 8:02:20 PM by Wolf1066

electronic-tragedy PAINKILLER from Wherever I need to be Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
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#24729: Jul 12th 2015 at 5:19:20 AM

[up][up] At this point, we're probably settling with both.

It seems a lot of people like desert and a forest unrealistically nearby, which I have said to liking.

Which point next, or does anyone have any other ideas about terrain?

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#24730: Jul 12th 2015 at 9:15:22 AM

The forest doesn't have to be unrealistic. There are semi-arid forests in existence, for example, Pando is located in a semi-arid area (Although originally it was wet and humid).

The climate could have shifted to something a lot drier, but the forest still survived.

Although, I should say that a repurposed former military base in a desert/forest mountainous area sounds pretty cool, especially if the highlands were more foresty. I'd like that.

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#24731: Jul 12th 2015 at 12:01:39 PM

I'm going to be going on vacation for a week starting Tuesday, but I should still be able to type out replies on my phone daily. Probably within the same time-frame as normal too. It'll be a struggle to get a signal, but I've done it before. So really, nothing much will change on any end but my own. tongue

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#24732: Jul 12th 2015 at 12:21:53 PM

@electronic-tragedy: I'm confused as to where Kevin and the others have turned up.

Mr Jackson's place is on a particular street, number 308,around the middle of the block.

Seon and Gwion entered through the door of that street. However, they exited through the back of the building onto a completely different street running parallel to the one that the front door is on.

I rather gathered from what nrjxll wrote that Gev and the others were approaching the front side of the building, not the rear.

Given that the front door labelled "308" and the taxi stand are on opposite sides of the block about 5 minutes' walk apart, I don't know how to reconcile your post with that.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#24733: Jul 12th 2015 at 12:28:48 PM

Regarding the new thread, were there any other real points of disagreement? I was under the impression that the specifics of the setting were the main thing. If not, we can probably start coming up with more details now.

[up]This was also my impression.

edited 12th Jul '15 12:29:20 PM by nrjxll

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#24734: Jul 12th 2015 at 1:56:21 PM

I guess I'll edit the post. Sorry.

EDIT: Well, I understood that, but now I'm not sure if Kevin has to cut through an alley or pass the front of the building and go around the corner (assuming the building is on the corner of the block) to get to the parallel street. The second part is what I understood. It's still what I get, so I'm sorry for my confusion. Send me a PM for better clarification.

[down]Yikes. Hopefully it doesn't turn out bad, whatever it may be.

edited 12th Jul '15 2:06:40 PM by electronic-tragedy

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#24735: Jul 12th 2015 at 1:56:47 PM

No post today, family emergency.

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#24736: Jul 12th 2015 at 2:22:42 PM

Some people seem to want an active military presence/base, while some people want an abandoned base... Though, I suppose we could always have both, couldn't we?

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#24738: Jul 12th 2015 at 4:49:34 PM

Posted, sorry it took awhile.

Also I like the forest/desert idea with maybe an abandoned or working Military base on the side just for those who may want it. Like not make it a major part but just have it there. Having a small town as a hub is a neat idea as well, gives everyone a good place to start if they don't know where to start.

I also like the open idea of creating different areas as we go like we are doing in Capital. =D Like people can create their own temples or cavernous areas or stuff like that. I also have a character in mind for this rp that is different than the idea I had before. It's the thief character I thought of adding into Capital but never did.

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Yomegami Since: Jan, 2011
#24739: Jul 12th 2015 at 5:02:54 PM

As I've previously stated (I think) I'd prefer no active military presence period, but so long as it's not overly prominent I guess I won't object to it.

Also, on Capital: For the ninja and magical girl group, I was kicking around the idea of having them separate into two groups; one to work the cafe and the other to look around for Pleroma fragments/pendants/etc. To be more specific, the exact idea was to have one ninja and one magical girl go artifact hunting while the other magical girl and other two ninjas work the cafe. Having the ninjas do one thing while the magical girls do another probably isn't such a good idea given the lack of other groups to interact with (personally I think I spent enough time during the first day without having anyone to interact with Sophie and Samantha).

It may just be a better idea to have everyone stick together and work the cafe. However, I'm not sure if any of the other groups would be heading in the direction of the cafe and would find it an interesting place to stop and I'm admittedly at a loss for ideas on what to do there otherwise once the novelty of everyone wearing maid outfits wears off. In addition I'd also like some more practice writing Sophie and Samantha individually.

Either way, Capital post will be coming shortly.

edited 12th Jul '15 5:05:44 PM by Yomegami

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#24740: Jul 12th 2015 at 5:12:13 PM

Old base, mostly shut down; used to be big business, now just a small garrison that could only realistically serve as a tripwire and flag-shower.

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#24742: Jul 12th 2015 at 6:09:35 PM

Wouldn't it have to be pretty small for someone to trip over it?

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Wolf1066 Crazy Kiwi from New Zealand (Veteran) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
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#24743: Jul 12th 2015 at 8:34:50 PM

@electronic-tragedy:

As described earlier, #308 is just a door between #306 and #310, so it's most definitely not on the corner.

Gwion and Seon went upstairs, did their business - wherein they were observed by Roderick's ability - and then they left via a separate stairwell that led to a corridor to the back of the building which let them out onto a street parallel to the one on which the front door is: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14248981950A88250400&page=97#2424

Anyone anywhere near the front door of the building would be a whole block away from where they emerged and found the taxi stand. I even pointed out that it took Gwion and Seon 3 minutes to get through to the other street, cutting through the building itself, and that it would take someone 5 minutes to walk around the block to get to where they are.

i.e. they would need to walk up or down the street to the next side street, walk down that, turn onto the street that Gwion and Seon are now on and then walk to where they are - a five-minute walk.

According to this and this - both of which posted after I stated where Seon and Gwion had got to - I have surmised that Roderick, Gev and Kevin are approaching the front of Mr Jackson's place, the one with "308" above the door.

Which means that they are on the wrong street about five minutes' walk from where Seon and Gwion emerged, not within visual distance of Kevin.

Where you get the idea that they are anywhere close to Kevin, I have no idea, nor do I understand how you think 308 is somehow associated with the taxi.


With regard to the next thread, I don't care if the base is fully active, scaled back or whatever.

Thanks to the earlier posts, I seem to have a "Western" theme stuck in my head now, and I have no problem with that - the characters could work within that and it's not like it's horrifically "Dark Ages" - hotels, saloons, livery, barber, clothing stores, general store, blacksmith, telegraph office, possibly railway; food, water, back-packing and travelling supplies, medical attention, alcohol, tobacco - all sorts of stuff.

What else might well depend on how long the rift/portal has been letting outsiders from different places and eras through.

edited 12th Jul '15 8:45:37 PM by Wolf1066

KillerClowns Since: Jan, 2001
#24744: Jul 12th 2015 at 8:38:51 PM

Despite previously disagreeing with centering the thread around a military base, I'm totally in favor of having one around as part of the scenery, as long as it's not the sum and total of civilization in the area. In fact, one of the characters I have planned might end up setting up in there.

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#24745: Jul 12th 2015 at 9:43:14 PM

Sorry that took so long. I've had a big distraction keeping me company for the past day.

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#24746: Jul 13th 2015 at 5:18:11 AM

@Wolf

I will delete the original post and try to fix it by making a new one. I'm having difficulties picturing it right now but I'll try to manage to understand with what you gave me.

I feel bad because my confusion is just slowing everyone down.

edited 13th Jul '15 5:22:17 AM by electronic-tragedy

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#24747: Jul 13th 2015 at 10:06:36 AM

@Yome I'm cool with that idea. I was thinking since you mentioned before you would like to do more with Sophie that maybe Sophie can be with the group that goes hunting for the artifacts maybe with Midori since they get along ok. Or Kiyumi. They can even rotate maybe if they all got jobs and take different shifts.

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#24748: Jul 13th 2015 at 12:31:22 PM

@electronic-tragedy: Cheers. Kevin should have no difficulty spotting the door between the two shops with the number over it and identify it as the entrance to Mr Jackson's place.

Perhaps TeraChimera could have Roderick use his remote vision ability to discover that Seon and Gwion have slipped out the back and are now some distance away.

If Roderick can't see that much detail with his ability, he should at least be able to see the taxis and the two targets and quickly see that there's no similar scene anywhere near where they're standing.

electronic-tragedy PAINKILLER from Wherever I need to be Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
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#24749: Jul 13th 2015 at 12:34:57 PM

[up] I suppose. I'm guessing Kevin will do a bit of recon of the actual building before they realize the two have moved.

Also, is there anyone with characters who have diplomatic intentions currently in the City Center and/or Museum Park?

edited 13th Jul '15 12:37:28 PM by electronic-tragedy

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Wolf1066 Crazy Kiwi from New Zealand (Veteran) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
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#24750: Jul 13th 2015 at 1:09:57 PM

[up]In which case, he won't be able to see much except that it's a two-storey building with shops at the bottom and offices etc up the top and that the area on the ground floor allotted to 308 is only wide enough to be the entrance to a stairwell.

Numerous people on the street but none of them a cyborg or a disproportionate humanoid.

The building itself - though not quickly evident from the front (perhaps from Google maps?) - extends back as far as the street behind, and running parallel to, the one the front door is on. The businesses and offices on this street back on to those on the other street.

The internal hallway used by Seon and Gwion is probably invisible to Roderick's ability as it's no longer the immediate surroundings of their quarry.


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