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Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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#5226: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:05:17 PM

Double post! Sorry. But I've just got to say I'll be gone for a bit, and KC has permission to puppet Grimm.

yey
KSPAM PARTY PARTY PARTY I WANNA HAVE A PARTY from PARTY ROCK Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#5227: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:13:00 PM

\*sees Gault leaving*

NOOOOOOOO! *glomps*

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Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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#5228: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:28:01 PM

Turns out I still got compy access. Yay.

... And goddamn! I thought snowfox was joking about that glomping thing. How is it that I've apparently become so well-loved among the CDT regulars, if that isn't too presumptuous?

[up] Fezes are cool.

edited 6th Oct '11 7:28:24 PM by Gault

yey
draconiansuperior The Draconic Superior from Home, doing stuff Since: May, 2011
The Draconic Superior
#5229: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:30:25 PM

Can I just say, I love the way Lilith acts, it's adorable in my opinion

KSPAM PARTY PARTY PARTY I WANNA HAVE A PARTY from PARTY ROCK Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#5230: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:31:22 PM

[up] Thanks! waii

I've got new mythological machinery, and very handsome supernatural scenery. Goodfae: a mafia web serial
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#5231: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:32:12 PM

@Gault: -grabs your fez, fling it in the air, and shoot it with a ray gun-

QQQQQ from Canada Since: Jul, 2011
#5232: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:32:44 PM

I think you're like a familiar, easy-going someone whose presence is very recognisable, like Nicholas Cage or Samuel L. Motherfucking Jackson.

edited 6th Oct '11 7:33:35 PM by QQQQQ

KSPAM PARTY PARTY PARTY I WANNA HAVE A PARTY from PARTY ROCK Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#5233: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:35:42 PM

\*puts on a stetson*

I've got new mythological machinery, and very handsome supernatural scenery. Goodfae: a mafia web serial
Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
Laugh and grow dank!
#5234: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:36:31 PM

Oh, thank you so much for that comparison, QQQQQ. I'm not even joking.

And apparently not easy-going enough to not get my silly ass banned for a goddamn week.

And you've reminded me, I've posted Nic Cage acting all manic and stuff, but no Samuel L. Motherfucking Jackson. If I wasn't busy I'd fix that.

edited 6th Oct '11 7:38:22 PM by Gault

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snowfoxofdeath Thou errant flap-dragon! from San Francisco Suburb Since: Apr, 2012
Thou errant flap-dragon!
#5235: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:38:15 PM

I glomp everyone, Gault.

And 90% of tropers I know are cool, so glomping is guaranteed.

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QQQQQ from Canada Since: Jul, 2011
#5236: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:40:38 PM

A little note to share is that there are some people, whose personas remind us of the numerous larger-than-life characters we see in fiction and blockbuster movie reality, and so they just 'stick' in our heads - it's as if they're close to being archetypal.

What happened earlier on? I heard there was fierce arguing going on.

Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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#5237: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:42:22 PM

Grimm argued with Prisha, but then went off to have a cigarette to calm his nerves.

Are you saying the characters I write are reminiscent of those archetypal ones, and that's why people like them?

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TeraChimera Since: Oct, 2010
#5238: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:43:33 PM

Samuel L. Motherfucking Jackson? Easygoing? (snort)

"Easygoing ain't no country I ever heard of! They speak English in Easygoing? ... Say 'easygoing' again! Say 'easygoing' again! I dare you - I double dare you, motherfucker, say 'easygoing' one more goddamn time!"

I know that's not what you meant, but the image was funny.

QQQQQ from Canada Since: Jul, 2011
#5239: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:55:37 PM

It's like Star Wars, being inspired by the universal hero's plot and you have these many recognizable characters, the naive hero Luke, the lone wolf Han (who's The Man with No Name with a ship), and the Evil Empire whom they must rescue the princess of the rebels. I don't mean this in the cliche and simplistic sense, but that it's very understandable and so 'universal' — that contributed to the original trilogy being a big blockbuster success.

The similar thing happens in real life - you meet some people, who you have the clicking sense that hey, he could be Tony Montana reincarnate or the scheming chessplaying mastermind, or John Travolta. They really remind you of people/characters you're already familiar with - and that's what I mean by archetypal. They make that impression on you. But not stereotyping, of course.

edited 6th Oct '11 7:58:39 PM by QQQQQ

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#5240: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:57:19 PM

However, some of the best characters are those that seem familiar in the surface but has more to them underneath?

TeraChimera Since: Oct, 2010
#5241: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:59:54 PM

Some. Archetypes are commonly-used, but it's possible to a), create a good character without relying on an archetype, or b), go no further than the archetype, with no other facets to him, and make a bad character.

Archetype is a funny word.

QQQQQ from Canada Since: Jul, 2011
#5242: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:02:21 PM

@chi: Oui. People will always have Hidden Depths that are not apparent on first glance, that give them unique, sometimes paradoxical depth. There is a pattern behind that though, which corresponds to Jung's learnings and the Enneagram.

Archetype is a funny word.

Yes. Like is there such an actual occurence as a "perfect person?" Not likely, like saying a "perfect snowflake" which is a platonic ideal. You know the chemistry questions they give you, with 100% pure H20 and ethyl alcohol, but in real life you will rarely encounter such pure substances. (99% might be the closest you can get, and even then, consider the other conditions like air pressure and temperature.)

It is similar to people, and what I mentioned about some personalities seeming 'archetypal.' I know there's no one who's purely William Shatner (besides Shatner himself), but that they would resemble his dramatic flare - whilst adding their own original ingredients to it. And who did Shatner get inspired by in his acting? How far in history do these recognisable personalities go back, you may ask?

We can discuss this later if you'd like (if it's making some of you dizzy) - I have a quiz tomorrow I need to make a studying for.

edited 6th Oct '11 8:18:47 PM by QQQQQ

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#5243: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:19:25 PM

On a totally unrelated note to all this (interesting as it may be), now that things have livened up a bit I finally went ahead and introduced my new character to Cantina. I've never tried to write from his POV before - as mentioned previously, both his and Qrlil's original medium is comics, and while I have a written side work with Qrlil as one of the main POV characters, he wasn't even in it. So we'll see how this goes.

Physical description is posted in spoilers because, again, I can't see why a character would describe themselves in limited-third person POV. It's not a problem in works of my own, but here it is.

TeraChimera Since: Oct, 2010
#5244: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:22:31 PM

[up][up] Actually, I just meant that the word "archetype" has a bit of a weird spelling. Type it a bunch. Archetype, archetype, archetype, archetype.

KSPAM PARTY PARTY PARTY I WANNA HAVE A PARTY from PARTY ROCK Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#5245: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:24:31 PM

I think Lilith should stick to the door, as much as it will pain her to separate from her new big-sis figure. If there's one thing a child does not need, it's to see something innocent and cute like them maimed and gutted for someone else to feast upon.

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QQQQQ from Canada Since: Jul, 2011
#5246: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:27:24 PM

[up][up] It's an alternate spelling. But I'm sort of glad you mentioned it anyway.

Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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#5247: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:30:02 PM

I'm actually not at all glad to hear that my characters resemble the common Heroes Journey archetypes. I hate the Heroes Journey. It is somehow, paradoxically, general enough to apply to anything and yet specific enough to churn out the same cookie-cutter plot over and over.

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#5248: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:31:36 PM

Well, it is, for the most part, the backbone of storytelling.

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QQQQQ from Canada Since: Jul, 2011
#5249: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:33:15 PM

No, I didn't mean to imply your characters are ripped from Star Wars or the Hero's Journey - or that I implied anything about your characters. I mean the universal appeal there is, like how I mentioned you have a very recognisable presence.

To mistake you or anyone for their Archetype though, is folly; much like this is not a pipe and confusing a caricature for the real thing.

edited 6th Oct '11 8:40:38 PM by QQQQQ

Gault Laugh and grow dank! from beyond the kingdom Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: P.S. I love you
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#5250: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:44:37 PM

I'm not really sure what that means, that I have a "very recognizable presence". I have no dobut that you mean it as a good thing, but I'd like to know why you think so.

[up][up] That's one of the reasons I dislike it. It's fucking everywhere.

edited 6th Oct '11 8:45:09 PM by Gault

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