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Ryuhza Brother from San Diego County, California Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
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#39326: Mar 17th 2020 at 5:24:14 PM

Miss, it's also your turn in the forest. Just bringing it up because I didn't see you mention it in your note.

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Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#39327: Mar 17th 2020 at 8:02:14 PM

[up] That's not quite ready either. But at least I finally finished my post for the Transporter group.

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Mar 17th 2020 at 8:02:41 AM

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#39328: Mar 18th 2020 at 12:06:26 AM

@apocalemur: Just wanted to stop by and express my condolences. That's a really shitty thing for your employer to have done.

Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#39329: Mar 18th 2020 at 12:51:26 AM

Maya's eyes widened. "Wow you...complimented me. That's, uh, a first for you guys."

That wasn't a first, remember when Arnaya tested their reflexes?

Arnaya applauded, "Bravo, bravo! You got your weapons ready with decent reflexes, you held off just long enough to confirm whether or not they were necessary, and Amy, your quick thinking under stress is especially impressive!"

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Masterofchaos Since: Dec, 2010
Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#39331: Mar 18th 2020 at 9:53:30 AM

Also, why does Nick think that the Web of Friendship holds the view that a society or system should be led by an elite, when the view they hold is that everybody should be an elite?

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Masterofchaos Since: Dec, 2010
#39332: Mar 18th 2020 at 3:06:04 PM

Good question!

Nick mostly hates when people hold others to high standards, and is very much a "fuck what other people say about you" kind of guy, which why he thinks they're elitists, or smug (even though that's not true). That's why he got mad when he and his crew were called "cowards" or called out for not confronting Mael, or that whole thing with the giantess who's name I forgot already, lol.

Also he's still bitter that Adam got taken to the ship and he couldn't comfort him.

Does this explanation help?

Edited by Masterofchaos on Mar 18th 2020 at 6:06:55 AM

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#39333: Mar 18th 2020 at 5:47:21 PM

Don't feel too bad about forgetting Arnora's name. I've done so little with her that I sometimes forget I put her in. But once the river group has made camp, I'll probably be doing more with her.

Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#39334: Mar 18th 2020 at 7:26:00 PM

Nick mostly hates when people hold others to high standards, and therein lies the crux of the problem. Holding others to high standards is how the inhabitants of the Jewel galaxy (and by extension the Web of Friendship) stay alive against their enemies. For example, first aid and CPR are taught in their elementary schools as mandatory subjects. Through that lens, that makes Nick not only look willfully ignorant, but also Too Dumb to Live and trying to drag others down to his level. The Web of Friendship are so harsh because they're desperately trying to pound in that the teens are going to die if they remain willfully weak. It's classic Anger Born of Worry and Nick is only seeing the "anger".

Would it help at all if Varla was somehow able to reveal the "worry" part? I'm not sure how Varla of all people would do that, but I suspect she has an opportunity in answer to Amy saying "You really think our moonstones changed our behavior that badly?"

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Mar 18th 2020 at 7:43:47 AM

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Masterofchaos Since: Dec, 2010
#39335: Mar 18th 2020 at 7:46:38 PM

Exactly! And that what he's going to learn soon in the thread. He has a reason for this mindset that has something do with his past (revealed in Dreams II) and hopefully I'll get a chance to explore it here!

It would help a lot if Varla revealed the worry part, and if you want some inspiration, it would like:

"We're like this because we want you to be better. To you, we seem harsh, elitist, but the fact is that the longer you have this mindset, it will get you and friends killed. You don't realize it, but we're offering you the biggest help that no one else could possibly give you. We're hoping you'll see that soon enough."

Or something along those lines!

Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#39336: Mar 18th 2020 at 7:55:48 PM

That sounds more like something Arilay would say. Varla is literally incapable of saying that she worries. Varla's crystallized heart has drastically changed her emotions. What used to be worry has been twisted to the point where she can't recognize it in herself anymore even though it's still equivalent to worry.

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Masterofchaos Since: Dec, 2010
#39337: Mar 18th 2020 at 8:03:53 PM

Hmm, well she won't necessary have to say that she's worried, but she can bring up the flaws in his ideology and how it screwed him and his friends screw over.

Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#39338: Mar 18th 2020 at 9:37:32 PM

I wasn't here for Dreams II, and I suspect it's going to take more time than I can spare to go digging around trying to find the relevant portion.

I'm not sure how Varla can bring up the flaws in Nick's ideology without either sounding very out of character (by not hammering on the "brutal" part of Brutal Honesty) or saying it in a way that makes it too easy for Nick to filter again like he has been doing. Taking my cues from John, it's too soon for Arnaya to break out of her ragdoll state, otherwise I could have her say "Don't you want to be [strong/fierce/tough/brave/___] like me?" and do something demonstrative like ripping herself off of Varla's sword. With the timing of what's going on elsewhere, it would be plausible for Arilay to survey the traffic jam on the transporter pad, chime in over the loudspeakers and then append "By the way, could you please get out of the way? I've got prisoners to transport to the brig."

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Mar 18th 2020 at 9:57:30 AM

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Masterofchaos Since: Dec, 2010
#39339: Mar 18th 2020 at 9:50:23 PM

Don't worry, I'll save you time! I'll send you a Pm.

With the timing of what's going on elsewhere, it would be plausible for Arilay to survey the traffic jam on the transporter pad, chime in over the loudspeakers and then append "By the way, could you please get out of the way? I've got prisoners to transport to the brig."

That works!

Ryuhza Brother from San Diego County, California Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
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#39340: Mar 19th 2020 at 7:47:30 AM

I've got an at-home exam today, but I'll hopefully find time to write afterward. If not today, then tomorrow.

Edited by Ryuhza on Mar 19th 2020 at 11:27:02 AM

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Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#39341: Mar 19th 2020 at 7:48:08 PM

@Will: I failed to mention that Aynara didn't let go of Haydn after she caught him falling against her. If he shoves her off, that means her claws rip through where she's holding on to him.

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Mar 19th 2020 at 7:51:54 AM

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Ryuhza Brother from San Diego County, California Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
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#39342: Mar 20th 2020 at 7:20:28 PM

Still stewing on the Forest group, Miss?

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Miss_Desperado https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YD2i1FzUYA from somewhere getting rained on by Puget Sound Since: Sep, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#39343: Mar 20th 2020 at 9:37:30 PM

[up]I've got something written for the Forest, I'm just not sure if it's ready yet.

Meanwhile, what would happen if Varla said this? "Yes, we have the means to detect mind control and defend ourselves, and if any of you leave before tonight's lesson in a communal dream, then anything and everything that Mael the mind-controller does to you will be your own fault!"

Edited by Miss_Desperado on Mar 20th 2020 at 9:53:53 AM

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Ryuhza Brother from San Diego County, California Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
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#39344: Mar 20th 2020 at 11:37:30 PM

For my characters, David will remain unswayed (he might not even answer) and Joseph is going to go along with whatever David does.

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Masterofchaos Since: Dec, 2010
#39345: Mar 20th 2020 at 11:42:08 PM

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I think that would make things worse since everyone's already angry about what happened to David and since Varla is trying to get on their good side, it'll probably just lead to more hostility.

Edited by Masterofchaos on Mar 20th 2020 at 2:45:07 PM

Ryuhza Brother from San Diego County, California Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
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#39346: Mar 22nd 2020 at 2:26:19 AM

You're also up in the Forest there, Will. Wyverns need wryting tongue

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#39347: Mar 22nd 2020 at 11:42:39 AM

Since I play way too much Monster Hunter, have some Monster Hunter music to go along with the totally-not-a-Rathalos.

Ryuhza Brother from San Diego County, California Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
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#39348: Mar 22nd 2020 at 1:01:13 PM

Hey Will, what are the finer details of Bonnie's hastening spell? Is it purely for foot speed, or would it affect things like more general movement or, for specific instance, Joseph's transformation?

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WillDeRegio Since: Jan, 2015
#39349: Mar 22nd 2020 at 1:35:25 PM

It increases (currently at x2) movement speed for walking, running, attacking, etc. Internal effects-over-time will match the hastened speed. Eternal factors will not.

So, I believe Joseph's transformation would occur faster.

Another note: Bonnie's hastening spell only goes up to x4 speed by itself, because things get a bit wonky and/or dangerous.

Edited by WillDeRegio on Mar 22nd 2020 at 4:48:50 AM

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