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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26: Apr 28th 2011 at 1:14:07 PM

Someone tried to use it to rename Against My Religion to "It's Against My Religion" but it turns out replacing every instance of "It's Against My Religion" to "It's "It's Against My Religion"" looks really dumb, so it was changed back.

EternalSeptember Since: Sep, 2010
#27: Apr 28th 2011 at 1:29:32 PM

If You Know What I Mean was proposed for a repair specifically because of pothole abuse.

Now all the potholes still say "if you know what I mean", and the only things that got replaced are the rare correct usages, quoting the Stock Phrase "if you know what I mean", or listing it as a trope.

deuxhero Micromastophile from FL-24 Since: Jan, 2001
Micromastophile
#28: May 2nd 2011 at 1:21:02 PM

Ai. Also for all the annoyance made over the "you fail x forever" to their stupid new name (Even "Did not do the x research" or "Hollywood x" works better), most are still marked YMMV (which was stupid and uneeded in the first place...).

edited 2nd May '11 1:21:24 PM by deuxhero

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#29: May 2nd 2011 at 1:25:13 PM

There's a thread for reporting things like that. Using it will get you a much better response time that mentioning it in some other thread about a different topic altogether.

EaterOfPizza somethingsomething from a place Since: Apr, 2011
somethingsomething
#30: May 3rd 2011 at 10:02:02 AM

So... can somebody fix the Nudge issue addressed above? The url is still the same, so Nudge is actually a redirect.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#31: May 3rd 2011 at 10:03:42 AM

never mind that Nudge doesn't make any sense as a name for that trope.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#32: May 3rd 2011 at 8:15:45 PM

And it was done without waiting for consensus.

Submitting a request to have the custom title removed / changed back.

edited 3rd May '11 8:16:17 PM by Stratadrake

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EaterOfPizza somethingsomething from a place Since: Apr, 2011
somethingsomething
#33: May 4th 2011 at 12:28:53 AM

I'm more upset about how it failed in it's intention. The potholes are still the same, but the correct uses aren't.

On a more general note, it's gotta be real confusing for many people when something they type out comes out as entirely different words.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#34: May 4th 2011 at 12:34:42 AM

On a more general note, it's gotta be real confusing for many people when something they type out comes out as entirely different words.

This. I think that, as a principle, the custom titles should never be used to completely change the wiki words. If I type something, I want this to be shown, even if corrected with accents, punctuation and non usual characters. Custom titles shouldn't be used as shorcuts.

Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
#35: May 4th 2011 at 12:40:38 AM

I also agree*

. The custom title should only be attached to the Wiki Word that is its closest non-punctuated equivalent.

edited 4th May '11 12:41:05 AM by Ironeye

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#36: May 4th 2011 at 5:29:01 AM

I think the whole Nudge thing is silly. It got rid of a good name and creates one that doesn't make sense out of context, it doesn't affect the potholes, and it creates more problems.

Let's make a rule against using custom titles for renames, and let the hard-working Tropers move the links manually. Some of them even like doing it. smile

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#37: May 4th 2011 at 8:10:19 AM

Yes, when in doubt, PM zerky. She will move ALL your wiks.

edited 4th May '11 8:10:35 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#41: May 4th 2011 at 3:02:34 PM

On the Nudge specific issue: Removing a line-of-dialogue title in favor of a trope name is the main thing, here. If the word 'nudge' does not fit the article text, fix the article. Here is the list of where the bad title was used: related

Titles with the word 'I' in them encourage people to use 'I', 'me', 'my', and the dreaded 'This Troper' in the text of examples.

edited 4th May '11 3:04:05 PM by FastEddie

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42: May 4th 2011 at 6:02:22 PM

[up] I don't think it's about first-person or sounding like a line of dialogue. We don't see people doing that with I Am Your Father or What Is This Thing You Call "Love"?. Conversely, we do see people doing it with potholes like Incredibly Lame Pun.

I think it has more to do with being a trope that applies to wiki page write-ups.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#43: May 4th 2011 at 8:30:45 PM

I agree that custom titles shouldn't be used for renames, for all the reasons already noted. I'm kinda ambivalent on the Nudge thing. I prefer the old name and think it's more intuitive and descriptive of what the trope is, but I'm not particularly attached to it either.

When we do a rename, we should just make the old name a redirect to the new one until the wiks are fixed.

edited 4th May '11 8:32:02 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#44: May 5th 2011 at 8:56:46 AM

On the Nudge thing, "If You Know What I Mean" is a common Stock Phrase used to invoke it.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#45: May 5th 2011 at 9:01:13 AM

This is not about a stock phrase. The article itself gives four or five alternative invocations. It is about the character highlighting their own double entendre. The title has to be the name of a thing, not a line of dialog.

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#46: May 5th 2011 at 11:11:18 AM

Going to agree with Troacctid on the use of certain tropes. However, this is off-topic, and should be in another thread.

Regarding the original issue, the crowner's already showing large consensus against using custom titles that way, despite it only having been one day so far. I'm against it as well, as it's just too inconsistent to have the page URL and the trope name saying very different things.

edited 5th May '11 11:12:19 AM by TotemicHero

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#47: May 5th 2011 at 11:52:32 AM

@FE: Right, discussion pertaining to the custom title Nudge goes in the TRS topic not here.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#48: May 5th 2011 at 2:41:16 PM

...And the Crowner clearly says that people don't want to use custom titles for renames. It only been one day, but considering the number of votes it got in that time period, the outcome is obvious.

Unless you start cracking down on the You Know What I Mean links or red-link it, people will continue using it. It's a fun phrase.

Wulf Gotta trope, dood! from Louisiana Since: Jan, 2001
Gotta trope, dood!
#49: May 31st 2011 at 4:43:00 AM

So, uh, being that it appears people are strongly against using custom titles for renames, would it be possible to make "ItJustBugsMe" a simple redirect to Headscratchers? I've been seen a few where it's like "It Just Bugs Me! that Alice betrayed Bob at the end of the McGuffin story arc. It didn't seem like she had any good reason to, since even if she stayed on his side as a sixth ranger, she'd still have had the McGuffin to revive Carol, which was her motivation for the get-go."

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EaterOfPizza somethingsomething from a place Since: Apr, 2011
somethingsomething
#50: May 31st 2011 at 9:58:29 AM

[up]Yeah that. Seriously looks weird when the renamed things were used in sentences.

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4th May '11 9:28:09 AM

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Thoughts on whether the custom title request feature should be used to perform renames on existing tropes.

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