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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#1: Apr 22nd 2011 at 5:49:09 AM

Okay I've got a character who's mother is Lucifer. He goes to visit her. Anyone know of non fiery interpretations of Hell? How could it be pleasent for a five year old?

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AtomJames I need a drink Since: Apr, 2010
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#2: Apr 22nd 2011 at 6:04:15 AM

Well in the Divine Comedy, Judecca, the bottom most level of hell is described as a frozen wasteland with people frozen in a lake, the faces the only thing exposed from the ice. I dunno. You could have him build snowmen? Drink cocoa? Wait...why is Lucifer a woman?

Theres sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere.
Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
The Odd Lad
#3: Apr 22nd 2011 at 6:56:56 AM

Well technically she's genderless like all divine beings, it's just since she possessed a mortal woman to concivence Tariq (her child) she most often appears as a woman. And she does it to make God look sexist.

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Chabal2 Since: Jan, 2010
#4: Apr 22nd 2011 at 8:22:21 AM

I'd go with the "Hell as vast featureless wasteland" interpretation, where there is nothing to hope for, nothing to do.

Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
The Odd Lad
#5: Apr 22nd 2011 at 8:27:38 AM

What does a kid do in a featureless wasteland? Wander about teasing the dammed? Oh maybe Lucifer resides in an opulent palace, and makes it very visible to the tormented souls.

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RalphCrown Short Hair from Next Door to Nowhere Since: Oct, 2010
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#6: Apr 22nd 2011 at 11:32:59 AM

Go with Sartre, "Hell is other people." All the occupants of Hell are tied to chairs in endless rounds of group therapy. The kid can pull pigtails, etc.

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#7: Apr 22nd 2011 at 11:47:10 AM

On a related note how could Heaven be kinda dull for a little kid?

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Fancolors I draw stuff. from Land of the Mamelucos Since: Nov, 2010
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#8: Apr 22nd 2011 at 4:32:31 PM

Well, maybe make heaven look like a dull place, literally without the kind of entertainment he likes and in a perpetual state of dullness. It might be peaceful and all, but peace can get pretty boring as time passes.

edited 22nd Apr '11 4:34:01 PM by Fancolors

kuyanJ Since: Jun, 2009
#9: Apr 24th 2011 at 7:55:46 AM

Heaven could have lots of "over-his-head" or too complicated talk and media?

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Temassasin Since: Dec, 1969
#10: Apr 24th 2011 at 10:20:34 AM

hell could have some people tortured by having to be his toys

Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#11: Apr 24th 2011 at 10:24:55 AM

How might he make Hell more child friendly? Tariq's basically a god.

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Lawyerdude Citizen from my secret moon base Since: Jan, 2001
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#12: Apr 25th 2011 at 8:28:09 PM

Why not pull out the whole reward/punishment dichotomy altogether? Consider Nietzsche's idea of the Apollonian/Dionysian man.

What if Hell is a place of pure, indulgent sin? An existence without restraint, discipline or rules? A place where your every dream and fantasy comes to life, no matter how depraved? Kid in a candy store.

If you look at "Lucifer" as a being that exists to tempt others on the path of selfishness and indulgence, then why not have Hell be like Vegas turned up to eleven?

"You wanted to see my domain? Here it is! Indulge yourself! Whatever your whims, they will be manifested! There are no limits to the pleasures you can experience! Feast from the table of endless delicacies! Drink from a fountain of wine! Bed as many women/men as you like. No consequences!"

On the other hand, Heaven could be a place of austerity, solemnity, study and eternal philosophizing on the meaning of existence. The great minds ponder the questions of the universe for all eternity. Learn physics from Einstein, logic from Aristotle, theology from Augustine, politics from Augustus. Whatever you desire to learn, it's there for you.

What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.
Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
The Odd Lad
#13: Apr 25th 2011 at 10:20:27 PM

[up]Your ideas interest me.

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annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#14: Apr 28th 2011 at 8:12:47 AM

In Norse mythology Hel is the name of a hall and the woman who owns it—it is the place where people who die peaceful deaths go. In a some of the tales that were written down there are nightmarish descriptions of Hel that are really only Hijacked by Jesus *

as among the pre-christian Norse was not a nightmare but a place most people go when they die.

When Hel was a young girl Odin took her to an empty realm in Niflheim and then he gave her a grand hall and the task of administering refreshment and lodging to those who die of sickness and old age. From this I can assume that the death are not cruelly tortured or punished—Hel merely takes care of them.

Niflheim is the ice realm in the cosmology, so I assume that Hel is rather cold.

edited 28th Apr '11 8:16:17 AM by annebeeche

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Quoth Pink's alright, I guess. Since: Apr, 2010
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#15: Apr 29th 2011 at 10:57:31 AM

Each person gets his own Hell. They design it themselves, subconsciously. Hell is literally the worst place there is because you made it so yourself.

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