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FurikoMaru Reverse the Curse from The Arrogant Wasteland Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
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#201: Jul 7th 2011 at 9:35:28 AM

@Dealan: Sniper is credit to team, but a team entirely made up of snipers is just silly.

edited 7th Jul '11 9:35:41 AM by FurikoMaru

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Dealan Since: Feb, 2010
#202: Jul 7th 2011 at 9:55:14 AM

I just said that, if sniping was possible, it wouldn't make sense for all the Slytherins, but at the same time only Slytherins to snipe.

CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#203: Jul 7th 2011 at 9:57:44 AM

But who said it was only Slytherins? Just that it would make sense if that's what they did.

And you did say "Okay, some retarded Gryffindors wouldn't do that because there's less risk to it. How about everyone else who wants to actually defeat Voldemort and not die gloriously in battle? The second group doesn't include only Slytherins."

Which implies disdain towards everyone who didn't snipe.

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Dealan Since: Feb, 2010
#204: Jul 7th 2011 at 10:41:01 AM

I said: Not everyone, but most people would have taken advantage of having a fucking castle instead of charging into the woods. What I'm saying is that, if Slytherins did it, then many others did as well.

thinking that, if many people sniped that, and they weren't just Slytherins, the whole point of "they did snipe, we just never learn any of it" doesn't sound plausible.

To which you answered with: Sniping requires hiding away from the enemies, where they can't find you. Not exactly very brave or valorous.

Not everyone likes 'ranged' combat. Many prefer 'melee', so to speak.

Because that sounded extremely arrogant and condescending (I'm a Griffindor and sniping is for pussies! RAWRRRRR!), my next post did have disdain from those that didn't snipe.

(Also, snipe isn't possibly the best word for "defending from inside the castle, taking advantage of the cover provided.)

So yeah, what I mean is, ignore that post you quoted.


In short: I believe that if it wasn't only Slytherins, we would have heard of it. And if it was possible (which I doubt it, because how can you aim with a wand from such a distance?), it wouldn't be only Slytherins.

edited 7th Jul '11 10:41:18 AM by Dealan

CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#205: Jul 7th 2011 at 10:48:49 AM

I believe that;

There were Slytherins who participated in the final battle.

We never saw them actually do anything in a battle.

We never saw anyone beyond a select few and the adults in a battle.

We never saw the tactics used in the battle.

We know that Slytherins are cunning.

Therefore, I believe that the Slytherins may have hidden themselves, and helped from positions that weren't likely to be attacked.

I don't believe that they were the only ones to do it; merely that a sizeable portion of them may have done it, and a sizeable portion of all who did it may have been them.

(And sniping is generally what people do from defensive positions inside a castle- it's why windows are so narrow. Although they weren't exactly sniping, but the principle is the same.)

edited 7th Jul '11 10:49:51 AM by CyganAngel

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#206: Jul 7th 2011 at 10:59:40 AM

DH p 503 UK hardback: Ginny and Tonks ... at the next window ... Ginny sent a well aimed jinx in to a crowd of fighters below. "Good girl!" roared ... Aberforth.

Ginny is Gryff and no retards complain about sniping. The only people who complain about sniping are the Slyths being shot at.

edited 7th Jul '11 1:25:48 PM by Trotzky

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#207: Jul 7th 2011 at 11:30:08 AM

How is it arrogant and condescending to prefer being in the thick of it? Not all of us have 20/20 vision, you jackass.

Scratch that, how is it a sign of arrogance to speak precisely and eloquently?

edited 7th Jul '11 11:31:50 AM by FurikoMaru

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Trotzky Lord high Xecutioner from 3 km North of Torchwood Since: Apr, 2011
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#208: Jul 7th 2011 at 1:36:25 PM

We saw Slyths participating in the battle. They fought on Riddle's side.

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#209: Jul 7th 2011 at 1:53:59 PM

I'd like to pop in and say, I wholeheartedly approve of the direction this discussion has taken. wink

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#210: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:19:32 AM

Something I remembered today, doesn't Harry note at some point how all Slytherins, many Ravenclaws, some Hufflepuffs and a few Gryffindors went away to safey? So there wouldn't be any Slytherin left to defend the castle. (Of course, we later see that Malfoy and co are still there, but they had a reason to hide.)

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#211: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:27:56 AM

JK Rowling later clarified that Slytherins did indeed come back to help defend the castle.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#212: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:32:16 AM

When harry sees a vision of Voldemort with Lucius well after the battle has begun, Voldy says this:

Voldemort: "If your son is dead, Lucius, it is not my fault. He did not come and join me, like the rest of the Slytherins..."

CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#213: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:33:23 AM

Voldemort is also Voldemort. He has reason to lie.

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#214: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:33:58 AM

I didn't know Voldemort knew every single slytherin student by face.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#215: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:35:27 AM

This is probably why JK Rowling is losing respect.

She's abusing her role as God to throw in her word and add continuity and alter characters. But she acts like it was obvious and intentional.

"Only a moron would think Harry wasn't African-American! When did I say he wasn't, huh?!"

edited 8th Jul '11 9:37:32 AM by Nikkolas

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#216: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:35:53 AM

She...never said that. She occasionally messes up, but :/

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#217: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:36:57 AM

I wasn't saying she actually said that. :(

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#218: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:37:19 AM

I know, it ruins the point of your post entirely.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#219: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:39:48 AM

Just a note, but she had included it in the book. I believe it was a typo.

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#220: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:41:35 AM

edited 8th Jul '11 9:42:30 AM by Nikkolas

CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#221: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:43:28 AM

OK. I guess you know best, seeing as you have access to knowledge we don't.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#222: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:48:39 AM

I don't trust or like Word of God. Too many writers think they can cover up their incompetence by saying "well I MEANT this...."

Or they just out-and-out change things later on.

But really, I, along with many long-time HP fans, just gave up on her the moment she made Dumbledore gay for no reason.

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#223: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:49:51 AM

There was subtext in the books. Some people saw it, others didn't. She was asked a question, she answered it.

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#224: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:50:09 AM

OK. You do that then.

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Dealan Since: Feb, 2010
#225: Jul 8th 2011 at 9:52:44 AM

JK Rowling later clarified that Slytherins did indeed come back to help defend the castle.

Err, considering that from my first post in this thread I was trying to argue that no Slytherins defended the castle, why didn't you say so from the start?


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