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KilgoreTrout Since: Jun, 2010
#326: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:01:20 PM

[up]Put an instruction not to do it right at the top of each work's NF page, I suppose.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:02:07 PM by KilgoreTrout

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#327: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:41:45 PM

One question: Once we have called this crowner, should we make a crowner to decide whether to keep examples in subpages or YMMV tabs?

I notice that the quality of the latter is much better than the former.

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#328: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:51:05 PM

If the quality of one is generally better than the other then hopefully moving them will help. Unfortunately, though, the problems will probably just carry over. By my best judgment, the best solution is delete Weblinks Are Not Examples on sight.

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#329: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:52:00 PM

[up][up] If it's going to be an audience reaction trope á là the Moments pages, it should probably be treated in the same way, and thus get its own tab.

edited 15th Apr '12 2:52:17 PM by Nocturna

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#330: Apr 15th 2012 at 2:55:17 PM

[up]The example quality is much the same in their tabs and the YMMV ones. In HONF, subpages are vastly inferior.

[up][up]Don't really think so. As I said, YMMV examples are better.

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KilgoreTrout Since: Jun, 2010
#331: Apr 15th 2012 at 7:01:51 PM

Hang on. Instead of deleting, why not fix them?

For instance, let's say that we have the trope Body Horror listed on a work's main or YMMV page (I forget which it is), and rather than describing it the person just writes "As seen here" with that text linking to an image of what they're talking about.

A person could look at the picture, go back to the page, and under Body Horror add the words "Dinin is turned into a drider, a sickly, bloated half-spider/half-drow with no more intelligence than an animal. You can see what one of them looks like here."

That's a lot nicer than having somebody come along and go "Oh! A link! I'm just deleting it!" As somebody who has had some of his contributions deleted, I can tell you that it doesn't make you feel too good to have that done to your work.

We've already got Repair Dont Respond, maybe we ought to give "Repair, Don't Delete" a try.

EDIT: I mean, I really do not get why this is Serious Business to some people here.

edited 15th Apr '12 7:16:17 PM by KilgoreTrout

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#332: Apr 16th 2012 at 3:57:53 AM

[up]The standard procedure to deal with Zero Context Examples is to pull them to discussion. I think the same approach works as wel as for weblink-only examples.

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Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#333: Apr 16th 2012 at 11:03:11 AM

A good example is better than a bad bad example, and a good example is better than deleting, but deleting is still better than a bad example.

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#334: Apr 17th 2012 at 12:26:45 PM

Remember, links to NF may be referring to the former definition, which was ANF. We should make sure all NF wicks are checked before we do this.

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#335: Apr 17th 2012 at 12:29:05 PM

Not sure if it will be relevant. The previous crowner decided to make this into something akin to Scary Moments.

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#336: Apr 18th 2012 at 9:33:38 PM

[up] You know, that wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

All of the (adjective) Moments are completely subjective, and HONF has a twinge of non-subjectiveness that makes it possible for things to get deleted from there in comparison to the other (adjective) Moments. ANF could simply be replaced by Scary Moments. Bu that would beg the question on if HONF would stay the same, get a name change, or merge with it in a way that it's still split (Like Unwinnable)

movie007 Since: Jan, 2001
#337: Apr 19th 2012 at 2:07:47 AM

I'm in favour of calling it Scary Moments. I have a little thing for consistency - and it would fit in well with Awesome/, Funny/, Heartwarming/, and TearJerker/. I think the Darth Wiki template should still be used, though.

edited 19th Apr '12 2:08:40 AM by movie007

Fnu Since: Dec, 1969
#338: Apr 19th 2012 at 1:43:28 PM

I like the name "Scary Moments" as well. Consistency is good.

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#339: Apr 19th 2012 at 3:54:03 PM

Scary Moments is just painfully generic though. And it sounds more awkward than the other moment tropes.

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Bookyangel2438 from New York City Since: Jul, 2011
#340: Apr 19th 2012 at 4:43:17 PM

[up]True. smile

Hmmmmm... maybe Nightmare Fuel Moments?

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#341: Apr 19th 2012 at 5:12:36 PM

Still a bit awkward but I'd rather have that then removing Nightmare Fuel altogether.

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#342: Apr 19th 2012 at 5:27:38 PM

I don't mind the name Scary Moments, but maybe Nightmarish Moments gets the point across even better? As in, not just mildly scary things, but things that really could give you nightmares - which [Any Kind of] Nightmare Fuel was originally intended for, if I recall correctly.

movie007 Since: Jan, 2001
#343: Apr 19th 2012 at 6:02:48 PM

From the looks of it, the new subpage is not gonna be any sort of variation of Accidental Nightmare Fuel - but probably more in the spirit of Awesome/, Heartwarming/, Funny/, and TearJerker/. We probably do need a better namespace than Scary/ though - but using NightmareFuel/ is probably not the solution. Maybe Frightening/ or Terror/?

edited 19th Apr '12 6:04:39 PM by movie007

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#344: Apr 19th 2012 at 7:27:40 PM

What if we call the main page Nightmare Fuel, but make the namespace Scary/?

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movie007 Since: Jan, 2001
#345: Apr 19th 2012 at 8:44:07 PM

Yeah, that would probably work. grin

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#347: Apr 19th 2012 at 9:43:24 PM

That works.

The naming thing for this is mainly tough because the adjectives used before for Crowning Moment of Adjective had a good adjective already attached. Simplicity is the best way to go here.

In the case that /Scary isn't enough, maybe a more... expressive synonymous adjective would work? /Creepy? /Terror? /Frightening?

edited 19th Apr '12 9:45:58 PM by SuperFrost

Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#348: Apr 19th 2012 at 10:17:05 PM

Actually, if we take a step back, we'll realize that all the moment pages had ridiculous names.

"Crowning Moment of Funny"? That doesn't make any SENSE. Or sound good. It's a snowclone of Crowning Moment Of Awesome, which I assume was originally named with near-ironic pompousness.

Which is why, among other reasons, we renamed all the pages.

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#349: Apr 19th 2012 at 10:26:31 PM

That would be your opinion. In my opinion Crowning Moment Of Funny is a much more interesting name than Funny Moments which is generic. I am with FORKS on one level, references or not it's better to have something that sounds unique than just something that's essentially Beige Prose.

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Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#350: Apr 19th 2012 at 10:40:23 PM

Interesting? Sure, that's valid. It's no longer called "Crowning Moment of Funny," but I see why some people might like that name. I was just arguing against the idea that the other moment names have some sort of logical ring to them that "scary" would lack.

21st Apr '12 6:57:02 AM

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Previous Crowner decided to merge High Octane Nightmare Fuel back into Nightmare Fuel. Here's the vote for what to do with the namespace.

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