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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#301: Apr 12th 2012 at 2:29:56 PM

[up] What does that matter for the crowner? ANF isn't on there, and isn't being affected by this vote.

Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#302: Apr 12th 2012 at 2:35:00 PM

I {wrongly?) assumed that people were voting to merge ANF and HONF.

People are voting to merge HONF with the NF disambiguation page?

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#303: Apr 12th 2012 at 5:38:48 PM

They're trying to make one a redirect for the other (HONF will probably become a redirect for NF since NF is easier to spell), and make the resulting trope an Audience Reaction to scary things.

Fnu Since: Dec, 1969
#305: Apr 12th 2012 at 7:49:04 PM

Since it's going to be an Audience Reaction for scary things, could ANF examples go on there as well or are we giving up on that one forever? One of the issues ANF had was that many examples belonged on either NF or HONF, and if they're all on a single page for scary things then that issue goes away. This new page might end up solving a number of problems.

Of course if we're giving up on ANF completely I understand. This new page will still be useful either way.

KilgoreTrout Since: Jun, 2010
#306: Apr 13th 2012 at 6:05:24 AM

[up]I think ANF examples should qualify.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#307: Apr 13th 2012 at 6:25:05 AM

No. ANF was deleted by pressing a button on the entire namespace. Too much trouble to bring it back.

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#308: Apr 13th 2012 at 7:57:54 AM

If we make it an audience reaction (which has strong support), wouldn't it not matter if something was "intentionally scary" or not? I mean, if the clown scares people, the clown scares people, even if he was intended to be friendly comic relief.

KilgoreTrout Since: Jun, 2010
#309: Apr 13th 2012 at 8:39:26 AM

[up]Agreed.

No. ANF was deleted by pressing a button on the entire namespace. Too much trouble to bring it back.

I believe what me, Nocturna, and Fnu are saying is that regardless of whether the examples have been deleted or not, that new examples—ones which would have been called ANF before this—ought to make it onto this new Nightmare Fuel page without people going "Hey, that's not really Nightmare Fuel! It only counts if the writer was trying to scare you!"

edited 13th Apr '12 8:45:23 AM by KilgoreTrout

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#310: Apr 13th 2012 at 8:53:40 AM

Yes, examples that were previously ANF would fit on the expanded definition of HONF/NF. We would be dropping the "intentional" distinction.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Fnu Since: Dec, 1969
#311: Apr 13th 2012 at 9:32:52 AM

[up][up] Correct. I'm talking about new examples.

I for one am very pleased with this outcome.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#312: Apr 14th 2012 at 7:59:56 AM

Calling crowner. The two options in the green should be implemented.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#313: Apr 14th 2012 at 8:06:21 AM

The editing of the main page must be done by a moderator (or via unlock), but the crowner to pick the name is here

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lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#314: Apr 14th 2012 at 8:23:33 AM

New crowner glued to thread.

What edit are you talking about, Septimus?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#315: Apr 14th 2012 at 8:28:59 AM

Hmm, in retrospection it seems that the current definition of HONF hammers the point home enough that this is an Audience Reaction. Otherwise, it must be edited to reflect that.

On a second note, can we get a "No weblinks EVER" rule or a banner warning about Weblinks Are Not Examples on all NF/HONF subpages? It's an even bigger problem than the natter.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#316: Apr 14th 2012 at 9:15:25 AM

While No Weblinks Ever seems an overreaction, warning Weblinks Are Not Examples in big, bold letters is probably necessary given the shape these pages are in.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#317: Apr 14th 2012 at 9:39:18 AM

[up]Or just make a rule that anything looking like natter or "Just a weblink and a reaction" can be zapped on sight.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fnu Since: Dec, 1969
#318: Apr 14th 2012 at 1:28:03 PM

Weblinks can be a useful complement to an example as long as the example has enough description to stand on its own without the link. But even then, there's no guarantee that the link will always work. If you ask me, broken links are even more annoying than Natter.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#319: Apr 14th 2012 at 1:31:55 PM

[up]99% of the examples I see out there are only the weblink. So no, I don't think it's worth to keep the weblinks.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
EarlOfSandvich Since: Jun, 2011
#320: Apr 14th 2012 at 2:42:00 PM

Not so keen on keeping it as HONF, so long as it's still going to be any degree of horror by intent, so casting a vote for the change.

edited 14th Apr '12 2:42:15 PM by EarlOfSandvich

I now go by Graf von Tirol.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#321: Apr 14th 2012 at 2:46:34 PM

[up]It's not going to be horror by intent.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KilgoreTrout Since: Jun, 2010
#322: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:51:34 PM

Weblinks can be a useful complement to an example as long as the example has enough description to stand on its own without the link.

Yes, they can. If anybody is saying "no weblinks EVER", that's not being reasonable.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#323: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:52:54 PM

[up]What is your proposal to reduce Weblinks Are Not Examples then?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KilgoreTrout Since: Jun, 2010
#324: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:57:42 PM

[up]The trope page says:

It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to clarify, enhance, or provide reference to a detailed example's content, rather than using them in place of the detailed example itself.

Therefore they are acceptable if used that way. So if you are saying "no weblinks EVER", then you should stop linking to Weblinks Are Not Examples.

If I've misunderstood you, then I apologize.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#325: Apr 15th 2012 at 1:59:03 PM

[up]Yeps, misunderstood at the second attempt. Also, do you have any ideas about how to stop people from adding entries that are mostly weblinks?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

21st Apr '12 6:57:02 AM

Crown Description:

Previous Crowner decided to merge High Octane Nightmare Fuel back into Nightmare Fuel. Here's the vote for what to do with the namespace.

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