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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#1: Apr 16th 2011 at 11:07:49 AM

Pretty self-explanatory really. Can we have redirects in namespaces other than Main show up in the alt titles bar with their namespaces? Also I've noticed that the system doesn't show second level redirects - as in redirects to a redirect to the page, so they end up as a kind of hidden alt titles. There probably aren't many cases, but it does happen, likely as a result of renaming where someone forgets to reassign the old redirects. Can anything be done about that? If not, then maybe we should make a thread to report these and fix them one by one.

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#2: Apr 16th 2011 at 11:20:45 AM

Second-level redirects are deprecated, so the wiki software doesn't handle them (unless Eddie's changed the software since the last time I checked). If you make Title 3 redirect to Title 2, which redirects to Title 1, then clicking on a link to Title 3 won't take you to Title 1.

This was originally implemented to prevent the creation of pages that redirect to each other.

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#3: Apr 16th 2011 at 7:02:53 PM

That was actually put in place to prevent a bug. Somebody accidentally turned Page A into a redirect to Page B, which was already a redirect to Page A resulting in a redirect loop. Making redirects only able to point at real pages bypassed the entire problem without having to check the content of the page beyond whether or not it exists.

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#4: Apr 17th 2011 at 6:23:55 AM

Making redirects only able to point at real pages bypassed the entire problem without having to check the content of the page beyond whether or not it exists.

You can still make second-level redirects if you turn a page with pre-existing redirects into a redirect.

edited 29th Apr '11 6:02:02 PM by Killomatic

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#5: Apr 25th 2011 at 2:29:05 PM

Bumping and adding another related request. We need an easier way to edit redirects. The current one is not only very inconvenient, but I don't even think it's mentioned anywhere on the wiki, which might be contributing to the whole "ghost redirect" problem where people neglect to reassign the old redirects when they rename something. I'm not entirely sure how to go about this, but I'm thinking either use the titles in the alt titles bar as editing links or make a new button that gives you a selection box with all the page's redirects. I'll be happy with anything that doesn't require copying code in the address bar really.

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#6: Apr 25th 2011 at 3:04:10 PM

We either used to, or you're referring to the fact that we, have the "redirected from (redirect name)" text link to the redirect's edit window.

Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#7: Apr 25th 2011 at 3:30:58 PM

Can you clarify what exactly "we used to", because I have no idea at all what you just said there.

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#8: Apr 29th 2011 at 5:50:12 PM

If you were redirected to a page, the redirecting page would turn up as an editing link in the alt titles bar.

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#9: Apr 29th 2011 at 5:58:35 PM

No, I don't think it does anymore.

If you want to edit a redirect, you can type in the url for the edit page directly.

The url for NightmareFuel.Walt Disney Pictures is https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NightmareFuel/WaltDisneyPictures.

To edit that page, add "?action=edit" to the end of the url like this.

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#10: Apr 29th 2011 at 5:59:31 PM

[up][up]It must have been before I came over here or else I never noticed it. Any reason why we don't have that anymore?

edited 29th Apr '11 6:00:06 PM by Killomatic

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#11: Apr 29th 2011 at 6:51:41 PM

My guess is that it's to discourage people from (accidentally) editing redirects. You can do it if you really want to but you have to know how.

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#12: Apr 29th 2011 at 7:03:20 PM

I was just about to ask if we can get that back. Maybe it could be more obvious that it makes you edit the redirect?

Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#13: Apr 30th 2011 at 3:49:31 AM

[up][up]I don't think knowing how should require you to go ask on the forums.

[up]The most obvious way would be to make a new button for editing redirects, though it would have to let you pick one somehow when there's more than one. Maybe it can be located in the alt titles bar and switch them between plain text and editing links or something.

On a slightly related note, would it be possible to have notifications for when a watchlist item gets a new redirect added or an old one removed? Because that's the last thing most people notice about the page.

edited 30th Apr '11 3:51:52 AM by Killomatic

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