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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#251: Apr 16th 2011 at 2:57:31 PM

After reading this thread, I think even a poster that says "Life exists" or "This is a poster" would be pulled for being anti-religion if I were to try to buy space for these ads in the US.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#252: Apr 16th 2011 at 2:58:56 PM

[up] Depends on where you're trying to put them. Most of the controversy is coming from the Bible Belt area of the US.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#253: Apr 16th 2011 at 2:59:26 PM

Yes. "There is life" offends my Buddhist sensibilities! Look at me! I am offended!

edited 16th Apr '11 2:59:40 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#254: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:00:28 PM

yeep. here in the Bible belt its apparently perfectly fine to use stuff like abortion or support for gay marriage as reasons to not vote for a candidate.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#255: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:01:02 PM

I want this on a bus.

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#256: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:02:38 PM

"Cake is for traitors". I want this on a bus. Fuck cake. It sucks.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#257: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:03:03 PM

The "There's probably no God" ads were in the UK, though, so Christians looking for excuses to be offended are not limited to the US.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
IanExMachina The Paedofinder General from Gone with the Chickens Since: Jul, 2009
The Paedofinder General
#258: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:03:28 PM

The most neutral one, no offence right?

By the powers invested in me by tabloid-reading imbeciles, I pronounce you guilty of paedophilia!
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#259: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:04:12 PM

You're assuming I worry! YOU FUCKER.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
KCK Can I KCK it? from In your closet Since: Jul, 2010
Can I KCK it?
#260: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:05:45 PM

@Best Of Because no one can genuinely be offended at something that you're not bothered by? Okay.

@Midget ...the rest of the country cares about the abortion debate too, don't be ridiculous.

edited 16th Apr '11 3:06:42 PM by KCK

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IanExMachina The Paedofinder General from Gone with the Chickens Since: Jul, 2009
The Paedofinder General
#261: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:05:48 PM

[up][up]

Ooops yeah, I've assumed you worry about slogans on buses, I'm sorry to have insulted you.

edited 16th Apr '11 3:05:57 PM by IanExMachina

By the powers invested in me by tabloid-reading imbeciles, I pronounce you guilty of paedophilia!
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#262: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:06:27 PM

That insults me too. You're being a patronizing douche.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
IanExMachina The Paedofinder General from Gone with the Chickens Since: Jul, 2009
The Paedofinder General
#263: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:10:33 PM

I just can't win.

We all understand I'm joking with all my slogans right?

By the powers invested in me by tabloid-reading imbeciles, I pronounce you guilty of paedophilia!
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#264: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:16:24 PM

Aww...that's so sweet, Ian...

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#265: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:21:51 PM

It's looking like I missed the majority of this thread. Curses.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#266: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:35:27 PM

Because no one can genuinely be offended at something that you're not bothered by? Okay.

The point is not that whether or not it offends me, but that people are limiting the freedom of expression of the other side very severely when banners with messages about the fate of a person's soul are allowed but banners that say "Don't believe in god? You are not alone" are not.

Both sides should have equal right to express their position and advertise their organisations or congregations or whatever it is that they're advertising. If the ads are already subject to being checked for discriminating messages and none are found, the ads should be allowed to stay up even if some people take offense.

I'm sure I don't have to explain why that is important - surely you've seen at least one important message advertised in a banner that deserves to be heard even if some take offense? Like "equal pay for equal work" or "say no to racism"? Those are offensive to some people, yet banners with those slogans certainly deserve to be shown.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#267: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:46:19 PM

"Explicit disbelief would be anti-theism" - Beholderess

Huh? I thought anti-theism referred to the belief that the idea of a god was a terrible thing to believe in, so as to distinguish it from atheism that still considers the idea of a god a good thing to believe in, at least according to Christopher Hitchens.

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#268: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:49:28 PM

Antitheism is defined as active opposition to theism or even religion as a whole. It could refer to opposition to specific deities as well. At least this is the definition I know and use.

edited 16th Apr '11 3:49:59 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#269: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:49:36 PM

Strong and Weak atheism: Strong atheists disbelieve, and weak atheists simply lack a positive belief one way or the other. Agnosticism really is a separate thing altogether, but has simultaneously etymologically evolved to be synonymous with Weak Atheism.

In any event, there's enough disagreement on the terms that proclaiming, loudly, that someone else is misusing them is probably a mistake.

blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#270: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:50:44 PM

If you're going to have an argument, first agree on a definition of terms!

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#271: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:58:30 PM

[up] Problem is, when it comes to subjects like this people can't even agree on what the words and phrases mean.

Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#272: Apr 16th 2011 at 3:59:27 PM

And then we get into a semantics debate and all chance of making sense is lost...LOST.

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#273: Apr 16th 2011 at 4:03:53 PM

What the fuck was up with the polar bear?

IanExMachina The Paedofinder General from Gone with the Chickens Since: Jul, 2009
The Paedofinder General
#274: Apr 16th 2011 at 4:04:58 PM

The last one I promise Kind of relevant.

So should be try to establish the definitions in use in this debate?

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KCK Can I KCK it? from In your closet Since: Jul, 2010
Can I KCK it?
#275: Apr 16th 2011 at 4:17:22 PM

@Best Of I would agree with that.

I don't think that every sign should be taken down because someone finds it offensive, but I do think people's feelings should be acknowledged.

There's no justice in the world and there never was~

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