It offered more insight into the Devil Gene’s origin. More to the point it confirmed it was not a Mishima thing.
Besides, while Tekken 7 did give Heihachi more depth, it also started with the flashback of him throwing his own kid off a cliff. Even 7 wasn’t really trying to redeem him.
Edited by M84 on Oct 4th 2024 at 8:35:55 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedYeah.
Like, I don't know how much we've seen of Heihachi before Kazuya was born (beyond him dumping his Father in the basement, which is admittedly a dick move) but he and Kazumi seemed pretty happy, and it feels like her betraying and trying to kill him is what really made him the Heihachi Mishima everyone knows and loathes.
One Strip! One Strip!…Do we know more people hate Kazuya than they do Heihachi? With Kazuya, Jun still digs him, and Jin, at the last minute, decides NOT to throw Kazuya off the cliff, opting instead… to spare him after the defeat. He let go of the animosity. He needed to rest.
Shoe companies at the very least ADORE Kazuya for what he's done to bolster business.
Self-professed Wild Card who thinks cynicism isn't so bad.@ FOFD
Wasn't his father at the epicenter of the Devil Gene initially. I thought imprisoning him was one of the few humanitarian things Heihachi ever did.
Back when T5 came out. Harada started claiming the Devil Gene came from Kazuya's mother around Tag 2. Again, as I said three pages ago
, Harada most likely said that to make Kazuya's mother special in the grand scheme of things and to avoid treating Heihachi as a "runt", for lack of a better term, if the Devil Gene was a Mishima trait that skipped him.
People always say it's weird it took that long for Heihachi to get rid of the Hachijo. I don't think so.
First, we don't know what happened first between Kazumi and Jinpachi's deaths. If Kazumi is the inciting incident, dealing with Jinpachi's coup might have taken a while, an punishing daddy dearest was top priority. Or if Jinpachi happened first, dealing with Kazumi's immediate clan maybe happened, but the entire clan was a secretive organization so not all of them perished at once.
And Heihachi made a lot of enemies during that time, no way the Hachijo were the only ones. The Manji Clan might have a been a constant pain in the ass, not to mention how Heihachi financed some of the gangs in New York according to the Leroy's lore.
And the biggest factor: Kazuya. Once Kazuya decided to show up and kick Heihachi's ass, the Hachijo extermination had to stop for at least 2 years in order for Hei to pick himself back up. Then you have to consider the length of the second tournament and when he actually beat Kazuya.
Once Kazuya's dealt with, the Mishima Zaibatsu had a stronger and more developed Tekken Force (remember the militarization of the Zaibatsu was strengthened a lot once Kazuya took over), Heihachi took advantage of that and we newer resources found and finished off any Hachijo straggler....save for one little girl he decided to spare and maybe... just maybe...use the devil powers for his own after witnessing Kazuya's form.
But before that, he had to start somewhere simple, some lab kids he made. Or maybe, awaken an ancient god in Mexico...
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At first, it would have been easy for Heihachi to have every Hachijo eliminated after he killed Kazumi and dumped Kazuya off a cliff (I go with Heihachi having Jinpachi imprisoned being why Kazumi opted to kill him) because of how Japanese affleunt families become interlinked when they joined by marriage. With T8 adding that the Hachijos were the descendants of every servant of Azazel embued with his power (the Devil Power), I guess it made more sense why Heihachi took it slowly in hunting them down: with such power, the Hachijos found it a bad idea to be in public (sending Kazumi to the Mishimas because the Hachijos assumed Heihachi would be a threat to the world, or simply Azazel, turned out to be a bad idea because she ultimately fell in love with Heihachi, married him, and had Kazuya).
Edited by HallowHawk on Oct 5th 2024 at 11:32:48 AM
I actually really want to know now if Heihachi put his grandfather in that prison before or after killing Kazumi.
If it's after, then the Hachijos might have seen the writing on the wall about how dangerous he was and sent her to take him out (which backfired hardcore).
If it's before....then they basically caused the very problem they were trying to prevent, and for no reason if he hadn't actually done anything wrong.
In fact, depending on the timeline of everything, Heihachi's later actions that made everyone his enemy might have come from his attempts to destroy the Hachijos, with a lot of other people getting caught in the crossfire.
That doesn't excuse the Fillicide mind you, but still. Considering he seemed pretty chill before Kazumi went terminator on him, it feels like everyone would have been better off if they'd just left well enough alone.
One Strip! One Strip!
Kazumi said it thusly on why she attacked Heihachi:
You will one day become a threat to the world.
Then she went for the attack. She only betrayed Heihachi out of loyalty to her clan despite loving him. As a result, not only is she dead, but so is (most) of her family and Heihachi turning to abuse on what to do with Kazuya (who in turn sired his own child with the Devil Gene).
Problem with why Kazumi obeyed that order to eliminate Heihachi is that, she and her clan worshipped Azazel (they're the descendants of those who were given the Devil Power by Azazel), making that "threat to the world" schtick the Hachijos fearing Heihachi would oppose Azazel if left unchecked.
Edited by HallowHawk on Oct 5th 2024 at 12:08:23 PM
Jinpachi is his father, not his grandfather.
Honestly i like to think Jinpachi's attempted coup and imprisonment happened before Kazumi's death as it gives her a good reason to actual attempt to kill him.
I think her original mission was just keeping an eye on Mishima affairs, but she fell in love with Heihachi and maybe even aided him in subduing Jinpachi. But then the Hachijo forcefully triggered the devil in Kazumi to make her comply.
Cause i refuse to believe Heihachi was telling the whole truth. That man has always been evil to the core
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Then that would make Kazumi no better than Heihachi if she did aid in imprisoning Jinpachi because he dotted on Kazuya too.
But she and her clan weren't any better because they worshipped Azazel, whose idea of "rectifying" the world is destroying it.
Edited by HallowHawk on Oct 5th 2024 at 12:14:10 PM
I know its unlikely she aided Heihachi. Either she remained neutral, or helped just to not blow her cover. But IF Jinpachi went down first, all the more reason Kazumi decided to kill Heihachi.
A shame she also saw no future in Kazuya, cause i don't get why she would arrange Akuma to kill him too. Unless she thought "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" and believed Kazuya would turn out like his dad
Which...she wasn't wrong...but not because he is like Heihachi. He is arguably worse off because Heihachi decided to be an abusive ass after you tried to kill him Kazumi....
Uni cat
A shame she also saw no future in Kazuya, cause i don't get why she would arrange Akuma to kill him too. Unless she thought "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" and believed Kazuya would turn out like his dad
Which...she wasn't wrong...but not because he is like Heihachi. He is arguably worse off because Heihachi decided to be an abusive ass after you tried to kill him Kazumi....
She wanted Kazuya dead because he had the Devil Gene and the Hachijos didn't want anyone else having it.
Edited by HallowHawk on Oct 5th 2024 at 12:24:35 PM
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Not really. The same archive detailing Reina's origin also states that the Hachijo Clan understood the danger of the Devil Gene. It stopped being about worshiping Azazel a long time ago. It was about ensuring that the power of the Devil Gene wouldn't threaten the world again.
Edited by M84 on Oct 6th 2024 at 3:25:19 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised

The major point of this dlc besides bringing back Heihachi was to emphasize that he is irredeemable.
Disgusted, but not surprised