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CaptainVulcan The Bad Guy from Here & There Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
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#251: Sep 15th 2013 at 9:41:42 PM

[up][up] Another good question...

Also, many fans thought moment was the end of Heihachi. Makes sense, but why would Namco kill off the main reason behind Tekken in the first place?

Oddly enough, a longtime friend of mine once mentioned that Tekken 3 turned out to be a 'Megaman X 5 sorta thing'.

edited 15th Sep '13 9:42:34 PM by CaptainVulcan

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#252: Sep 15th 2013 at 9:43:28 PM

...?

A game made with limited input from the series creator, who only gave them the vague instruction (in X5's case, it was "end the series")?tonguetongue

Jokes aside, I don't see how that works, as Tekken 3 opens more plot threads than it closes (and had Harada's full involvement)

edited 15th Sep '13 9:44:32 PM by Otherarrow

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#253: Sep 15th 2013 at 9:44:44 PM

[up] No. This was the general thought of Heihachi's fate before Tag 1 came out.

'Wow. So this thing finally got Heihachi,' was what was going through my mind when I first saw Ogre doing... whatever it was doing in order to turn himself into True Ogre.

edited 15th Sep '13 9:53:46 PM by CaptainVulcan

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#254: Sep 15th 2013 at 9:46:00 PM

I thought it was pretty silly when they brought the lightning effects of the gameplay into regard in the story. Not that Tekken 6's Scenario Campaign was anything special story wise, but that bit just seemed downright goofy.

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#255: Sep 15th 2013 at 9:47:54 PM

I wasn't referring to the Heihachi thing, but to the Megaman X5 comparison.

Also, the Heihachi thing makes no sense as we explicitly see him alive in several of the endings. What, did no one beat the game as Jin or Xiaoyu (or Heihachi for that matter, which has Jin survive being Ogre'd)?

edited 15th Sep '13 9:49:14 PM by Otherarrow

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#256: Sep 15th 2013 at 9:48:20 PM

Oh yea. Tekken 6.

...

Damn you, Lars.

[up] Arcade version, Otherarrow. No endings. Just a staff roll and replays of your K.O.'s during your playthrough. Arcade gamers are not stupid!!

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edited 15th Sep '13 9:56:05 PM by CaptainVulcan

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#257: Sep 15th 2013 at 9:56:15 PM

Hmm? The arcade version of Tekken 3 didn't have endings?

Well, I didn't know that. How odd.

Sorry, my bad.

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#258: Sep 15th 2013 at 9:59:26 PM

No worries. I blame myself for not making that clear.

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#259: Sep 15th 2013 at 10:09:15 PM

I think the ending movies are a specialty to the home versions of all the games.

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#260: Sep 15th 2013 at 10:27:47 PM

On Jin losing his mother's moves starting 4: I'm glad I'm not the only one who found this to be odd. Even with Asuka's inclusion in 5, Jin didn't have a lot of Jun's repertoire to begin with note , never mind that Asuka made her debut in the game where Divergent Character Evolution really kicked in among the clones. On top of that, Asuka assimilated all of Jun's TTT moveset, and I definitely remember Jin and Jun co-existing in Tag without Jin's handful of moves taken from his mother diminishing her value.

On the Devil Gene: Harada stated on his Twitter that Jinpachi doesn't possess the Devil Gene, but was possessed by a similar entity (likely some sort of wraith given what we've seen of him in 5 and TTT2). It was a deliberate Red Herring, one that Jin and Kazuya came to believe themselves in 5. Harada says that only Heihachi knows who the Devil Gene started with, and that he, Jinpachi, and Lars all lack it. Considering that if Jinpachi did have the Devil Gene, the Gene miraculously skipping only Heihachi (he doesn't even have it as a recessive gene) would be an affront to biology. As Other notes, as all evidence seems to point to Kazumi being the Devil Gene carrier. Playing as Devil Jin in Scenario Campaign also reveals that Azazel had a hand in things, though I can't recall the full details there.

The series has halfway done in the wizard in that Kazuya was able to make his Deal with the Devil because his bloodline is naturally susceptible to supernatural phenomenon.

On the extra Revolution character(s): I did personally prefer the Female Tekken Force Leader (it's not so much her curvy body-type or sadistically seductive personality that irks me so much as her incredibly skimpy, in-no-way-practical-for-work attire); I've said it before, but the Female Vampire imprisoned by the Rochefort family really stretches things for me, and this is a series with ninjas, robots, wooden men, demons, aliens, and genetically-engineered kangaroos and dinosaurs.

edited 15th Sep '13 10:44:07 PM by X2X

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#261: Sep 15th 2013 at 10:56:12 PM

Yeah, I wasn't feeling a lot of the poll characters, especially the ones that were most highly voted. The design and story for the female vampire—and the fact that there are just vampires now—makes me worry that Tekken's own flavor of weird is losing even more focus.

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#262: Sep 15th 2013 at 11:15:04 PM

Just wanted to say that Tekke's openings have been some of my favorite fighting video game openings from the beginning.

Tekken 2 and 5 are my favorites.

edited 15th Sep '13 11:47:34 PM by MadSkillz

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#263: Sep 15th 2013 at 11:34:11 PM

Black Winter Night Sky is amazing. Namco's sound team rocks.

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#264: Sep 16th 2013 at 12:05:16 AM

King's Tekken 2 and 3 original themes. Eternal classics.

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#265: Sep 16th 2013 at 3:50:37 AM

In regards to why Jin ditched his mother's techniques, I can under gameplay reasons, but what about a canon reason? If I recall, he totally has no beef with his mother, so what gives?

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#266: Sep 16th 2013 at 3:58:04 AM

Maybe karate didn't mesh well with his Kazama style defense.

Although I wish Jin had learned some Krav Maga instead of karate.

It's also got the benefit of being faster to learn.

edited 16th Sep '13 3:35:41 PM by MadSkillz

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#267: Sep 16th 2013 at 8:28:26 AM

[up] Thanks

And to the question I deleted earlier, so what fights that weren't Mishima (or at least main family members) and aside from King II beating up Marduk did happen in T4, like, in Steve's T5 intro, he was shown beating up Paul, but judging by Paul's T5 intro, he made it far enough to fight Kuma II in the Arena stage, so which fights canonically happened?

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#268: Sep 16th 2013 at 9:05:06 AM

[up][up] That would've been awesome. Also, seeing Jin pick up on Jujitsu and Sanda would've been cool, too.

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#269: Sep 16th 2013 at 9:37:49 AM

[up][up] A lot of the tournament went unaccounted for outside of the Mishimas note . I also wouldn't use the backdrops depicted in the T5 prologues as heavy evidence for tournament placing, as Paul, Kuma, Lee, Heihachi, and seemingly Law's prologues all depict the Arena stage (conversely, Steve's fight against Paul is set in the Underground). In order (and to the best of my knowledge):

Paul: Lost to Kuma due to his preoccupation on fighting Kazuya again.

Law: Unknown aside of the fact that he lost the Fourth King of the Iron Fist Tournament somewhere along the line.

Nina: Unknown. Targeted Steve, as per her, his, and Lei's endings in 4, though none of their takes on the event seemingly happened.

Yoshimitsu: Unknown. Found an unconscious Bryan while raiding the Mishima Zaibatsu vault and took him to Dr. Bosconovitch.

Lee: Had a pretty good showing from the look of things, but lost his focus upon facing Kazuya and lost.

Lei: Unknown. Broke up the Syndicate Nina was working for.

Xiaoyu: Unknown. Rescued by Yoshimitsu (from who/what is unclear) and learned of the Mishima family's violent history.

Hwoarang: Unknown. Must've done fairly well in the tournament, as the Korean military arrested the former sergeant for his desertion near its end.

King: Beat Marduk senseless.

Julia: Unknown. Couldn't retrieve the reforestation data she was looking for, but apparently tried to stop King from killing Marduk.

Bryan: Unknown. Story follows his T4 ending.

Kuma: Beat Paul, but ultimately lost in the tournament (who defeated him is unknown).

Panda: Unknown. Accompanied a depressed Xiaoyu home after the tournament.

Steve: Fought Paul and lost, then discovered his origins with Lei's help.

Christie: Unknown. Met up with her frail grandfather when he was released from prison.

Marduk: Had his ass handed to him by King.

edited 16th Sep '13 9:41:22 AM by X2X

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#270: Sep 16th 2013 at 3:19:00 PM

[up] Wait, where was it mentioned Steve lost to Paul in T4?

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#271: Sep 16th 2013 at 5:55:29 PM

Conjecture. If Paul is explicitly noted to lose to Kuma, then, unless the tournament doesn't operate on a basic single elimination format (which I'm sure it does), he can't lose to both Kuma and Steve, now can he?

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#272: Sep 17th 2013 at 1:07:08 AM

[up] And also, where is it mentioned Julia fought King II and persuaded him not to kill Marduk? I thought King II went to the hospital to do the deed, saw a picture of Marduk and his family, and spared him due to that fact, which T5 supports with King II leaving the hospital in his intro.

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#273: Sep 17th 2013 at 8:17:11 AM

My bad. I never said that the two fought in 4, but I accidentally mixed up her interaction with King in 5 with the plot of 4. She was privy of King's feud with Marduk, so she either knew about what happened during the previous tournament or saw Marduk's challenge to King before the fifth tournament.

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#274: Sep 18th 2013 at 4:59:40 PM

Tekken 5 deffo has my fave intro of all of the Tekken games. It's my fave Tekken game overall even to this day.

I bought Tag 2 recently so it should be coming in the mail soon. smile

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#275: Sep 20th 2013 at 5:23:40 PM

It's a toss-up between 3, Tag, and 5 for me.

Hopefully you'll enjoy Tag 2. It's pretty fun, if not chaotic at times. And maybe I'll get the chance to play you sometime in the future. smile

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