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thriller01 Since: Jun, 2010
#626: Jun 17th 2011 at 5:56:05 PM

[up] I was thinking... If Yoga wins, Japan *would* really go down? If Japan stay lethagic as it was, yes, but wild mass guess what if by giving the future back of most people affected by the FD's Settlement (the ones that are still in this reality), it would have the net effect of strengthing the country's economy against [C] - a phenomenon feed by the influence of Midas Money/FD on reality - since now there have something for people to fight for, in a way to speaking? Maybe Jennifer's plan of destroying the trust on Midas Money *did* diminish the effect of FD on reality... and if people *did* believe that things will improve (if the trust on economy grows...)

I know that it looks against Midas Bank's interests - but what if they prefer take a small loss (how much the country would value to them anyway, with no Future left to consume at the end?) to create the conditions to have much more Future to consume later? An investment if you will. That would explain why Midas Bank did gave the Darkness Level to Yoga's card (since it was a black one) - after all, they would win at the end (just will take a little longer - what they could accept for more "profit").

A still believer in Sa Ga
redcynic The Earth King from Everywhere and nowhere Since: Mar, 2011
The Earth King
#627: Jun 17th 2011 at 9:39:19 PM

[up]Genius

BYOON~!
JakesBrain Since: Jul, 2010
#628: Jun 17th 2011 at 10:59:35 PM

[up][up]Exactly. Just because this particular market's in such a precarious position doesn't mean they'll necessarily want to burn it all down the way they did Singapore. If Yoga can save Japan, then they can make more profit in the small-f future...

Shit, I just realized what Mikuni may be trying to do. If Japan goes down completely and nobody's got a future left, it means the FD will have to withdraw after Keynesthulhu finishes his work. Mikuni considers that Japan's better off dead than under the FD's thumb.

edited 17th Jun '11 10:59:49 PM by JakesBrain

thriller01 Since: Jun, 2010
#629: Jun 18th 2011 at 10:05:49 AM

[up] Although I don't think that most people in Japan would accept that alternative

But it *fits* the interpretation of [C] as a Cosmic Horror Story. You could submit to Keynesthulhu (what was the end of the Mikuni Route) or hold it back for a while (Yoga-Jennifer Route), but you can't *defeat* it for real (So, the Financial District will not be destroyed, but maybe his influence will be for now diminished to a point where Japan could recover - what would create more small f-future for them to consume later). The players could win this run, but the FD will win the game - and it can wait for a long time.

edited 18th Jun '11 10:10:18 AM by thriller01

A still believer in Sa Ga
HighVelocityPointyThings Since: May, 2012
#630: Jun 18th 2011 at 4:46:49 PM

[up]

The FD's a zero-sum game. You can't win, and you can't quit. The only choices are to keep playing, or lose. And losing sucks.

Also - I had the biggest grin on my face when the helicopters where dropping money over Japan. (Remember Helicopter Ben? Ben Bernanke once expressed the desire to stimulate the economy by dropping money from helicopters over American cities).

JakesBrain Since: Jul, 2010
#631: Jun 18th 2011 at 7:59:59 PM

[up]Oh my God, they remembered that??

edited 18th Jun '11 8:00:29 PM by JakesBrain

RiotousRascal Since: Dec, 2010
NG14916 Since: May, 2010
#633: Jun 18th 2011 at 8:27:11 PM

Where did that money come from, anyway? I thought that traitor in Mikuni's group failed to hack into the Guild's account.

RiotousRascal Since: Dec, 2010
#634: Jun 18th 2011 at 9:15:55 PM

Isurugi failed, yeah, but Taketazaki succeeded. IIRC that money was from Mikuni's holdings.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#635: Jun 19th 2011 at 3:10:49 AM

Must say, found it interesting that Taketazaki was actually working with someone, let alone the IMF. Though with Yoga getting handed a Black Card by the higher-ups, it seems increasingly possible that he's Masakaki's human incarnation, helping out Yoga for some unknown purpose.

What's precedent ever done for us?
iridium248 Since: Dec, 2009
#636: Jun 19th 2011 at 4:06:27 AM

[up] The dark gods were pleased. Yoga has served them well, by satiating their appetite for the souls of unborn children.

N3cr0p4th Since: Dec, 1969
#637: Jun 19th 2011 at 6:02:35 AM

Hey, just something I noticed when I rewatched the episode just now... When Jennifer went Bankrupt she went onto WATCH, then she gave Yoga Georges. But the same thing happened back on Yoga's deal with the teacher, he went onto WATCH and sold a share for 50,000,000.

Jennifer is selling all of her shares, so shouldn't she get some money at least? Somehow I feel like her 'death' in the FD could've been avoided if Yoga had taken a damn second to give her 10 million or so...

Also, did Q just invest so much money in an attack that she overloaded it? For that matter how would she even invest in the first place? The only thing I can think of is that she's using the money that Mikuni's been feeding her to invest by herself.

thriller01 Since: Jun, 2010
#638: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:50:21 AM

[up] I guess that the difference is that Yoga was still in condition to fight, but Jennifer was not, so maybe the money tranfer would not work for that.

A still believer in Sa Ga
Soulgazer Since: Sep, 2014
#639: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:58:26 AM

Well, the wikia says that each Asset has 10 shares, 9 sellable, one special for the entre. It could be that the one sold to Yoga was the special share for George, and the amount of money paid was not enough to recover from Q's cannibilism attack.

edited 19th Jun '11 8:58:40 AM by Soulgazer

Saigyouji Since: Dec, 2010
#640: Jun 19th 2011 at 9:25:19 AM

I'm pretty sure Jennifer's state at the end of the duel was due to Mikuni's direct, not Q's macroflation.

edited 19th Jun '11 9:25:30 AM by Saigyouji

N3cr0p4th Since: Dec, 1969
#641: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:18:12 PM

Speaking of shares, how is that share of Mysu that Mikuni bought going to play out? If entres immediately profit from their attacks then no matter what Mikuni is getting 5% of everything Kimimaro makes, and considering the sheer size and power of the attacks that are going to be necessary, this deal is going right down to the wire even if our boy fights a perfect match.

iridium248 Since: Dec, 2009
#642: Jun 19th 2011 at 9:01:33 PM

I don't think it's going to be relevant, to be honest. It's going to come down to bankruptcy on either side. But really, Msyu is a one-trick pony. Her attacks are successively larger fire blasts. Same for Q, ironically. I think Aurora and Mikuni's Butler are both down for the count, so Yoga technically has a small advantage. Of course, we've already seen what Q can do...

redcynic The Earth King from Everywhere and nowhere Since: Mar, 2011
The Earth King
#643: Jun 19th 2011 at 9:10:19 PM

Wouldn't it be great if Yoga somehow managed to turn Q around and she ended up "cannibalizing" Mikuni?

EDIT: Found some sick new images (All images SFW, all links have NSFW ads.)

Masakaki Ascendant.

Duel of Futures.

The Last Goodbye. <—Who's the other guy? Mikuni's hugging Q and someone else, who is it?

edited 19th Jun '11 10:31:17 PM by redcynic

BYOON~!
KanameFujiwara Since: Apr, 2010
#645: Jun 20th 2011 at 5:42:13 AM

God this story is really freaking me out. Sometimes the way I see to get out of all the crap is by a return to gold standard and by literally burning Midas money in the real world.

TQ

Only by listening to all sides can your decisions be made better in matters of judgement.
Uchuujinsan Since: Oct, 2009
#646: Jun 20th 2011 at 6:11:05 AM

I can't see how a gold standard would help in any way. It would would only help if the government were issuing Midas Money, but they don't.

Pour y voir clair, il suffit souvent de changer la direction de son regard www.xkcd.com/386/
thriller01 Since: Jun, 2010
#647: Jun 20th 2011 at 3:55:40 PM

Someone knows how [C] is being received in Japan so far? In the english-speaking blogs, it is being love-or-hate so far.

A still believer in Sa Ga
Soulgazer Since: Sep, 2014
#648: Jun 20th 2011 at 6:40:48 PM

Does anyone think the whole last conversation between Mikuni and his sister might have influenced his whole "present" obsessed worldview?

edited 20th Jun '11 7:06:00 PM by Soulgazer

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#649: Jun 20th 2011 at 7:35:27 PM

It's more than that. The entire situation is what created his present obsessed worldview. In a nutshell, what his father was doing was ignoring short-term concerns in favour of long-term ones, and that's why his sister is now in a coma.

Mikuni therefore decided that he'd never do that, and has been giving priority to the short-term ever since.

Soulgazer Since: Sep, 2014
#650: Jun 20th 2011 at 8:14:36 PM

[up][up] I mean, not just that, but the last time he talked to his sister, she was talking to him about the current moment, the present (since she had no future).


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