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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#1: Apr 10th 2011 at 7:48:01 AM

So we have multiple levels of bullet points, numbered lists, quotes and headings, but only one level of folders. I realise they are not particularly needed most of the time, but I've come across at least one case where nested folders would help organise things better.

Series with Loads And Loads Of Characters tend to have Cast Herds. Members of a certain herd will often have tropes in common, so rather than list them every time in the character sheet, people will sometimes make a general section for the group with its own description, example list, possibly a group shot image and then add sub-sections for each specific character.

That's not a particular problem when using headings, because they have hierarchy. But when someone decides to use folders instead suddenly you have no way to easily tell the difference between the general section and the sub-sections, or where one cast herd ends and another begins.

Some kind of master folders that have a distinguishable font and indent the sub-folders within them (The regular indentation markup seems to break the folders) would solve this issue. You can also make the parent folder double as the folder control for the child folders, so you wouldn't need to click twice to open the one you want.

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Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#2: Apr 10th 2011 at 10:37:03 AM

You should just switch the formatting to have a folder for the herd and headings for the individual members.

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#3: Apr 10th 2011 at 1:05:34 PM

But that way you can't see the individual character entries with the folders closed. Isn't there a way to at least make the indent markup work for folders without causing them to spit out their content, like it does now?

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Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#4: Apr 10th 2011 at 9:31:07 PM

I don't see why it's necessary to have every character's name visible before you open any folders.

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#5: Apr 10th 2011 at 9:39:02 PM

Neither do I. I do think that the nested folders would be nice on really long character pages though.

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#6: Apr 10th 2011 at 10:22:37 PM

[up][up]It helps you to see which characters are in each herd without you having to manually open them all. Sometime it is not obvious even to someone familiar to the work.

Also, outside a Character Page context, it allow people to see the subcategories under one folder.

Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#7: Apr 10th 2011 at 10:29:05 PM

I don't imagine that it will often (if ever) come up such that there is a significant number of shared tropes (to the point that the shared tropes were getting their own section) but the division is non-obvious to someone familiar with the work in question.

As for the non-character page situation, I don't entirely understand what sort of situation you're talking about. Can you give an example?

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#8: Apr 11th 2011 at 12:01:00 AM

[up]I don't think I understand your first paragraph. What shared tropes has to do with this? Actually, what is 'shared tropes'?

What I meant is that, if all folders are closed, people won't be able to see which characters are inside a particular folder. Usually, the folders would be categorized by herds, which normally would allow someone familiar to the work to know which characters are there. However, this is not aways obvious, and may leave the reader wondering which character is inside a particular folder (forcing the reader to open the folder to know). If all folders are listed even when they are closed, this won't be an issue.

Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#9: Apr 16th 2011 at 12:38:01 AM

Kill was originally talking about cases where a given Cast Herd had enough tropes in common to put a section of the shared tropes before any of the original character entries. My point is that if there are enough tropes in common that they should get a full section, the identities of the characters in that Cast Herd should be straightforward. If, on the other hand, there are not many shared tropes, it's probably easier to list the tropes for each character and give them each their own folder.

If for some reason the Herd has many shared tropes but its members not obvious, it may just be easier to give each herd a section heading and have folders for the individual characters. I think that far too many character pages are formatted such that the entire page collapses down into half a dozen lines when the folders are closed as though we're paying by the folder or something. Rather, the characters should be split into folders in a maximally useful way, which may mean that some characters get their own folders.

In short, I think creatively using the existing tech will handle >99% of cases, making an overhaul of the folder code unnecessary.

edited 26th May '11 11:31:44 PM by Ironeye

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#10: May 26th 2011 at 10:30:24 PM

I could really use this for a Reference Overdosed Shout-Out page.

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#11: May 26th 2011 at 11:14:45 PM

I've wanted nested folders...

Though for a lot more personal reasons. >_>

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#12: May 27th 2011 at 12:46:04 PM

Honestly? I'd rather examples to be split into subtropes than have nested folders.

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#13: May 27th 2011 at 3:44:02 PM

Oh well if this is going to be the "folder" threadL I wish we still had buttons so you could close the folder at the bottom.

Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#14: May 27th 2011 at 4:01:44 PM

We actually had something like that? I'd support it, provided it only appears when the folder is opened.

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#15: May 28th 2011 at 6:25:02 AM

I'd like to have that option myself...I wonder if the [[/folder]] code could be changed so that it created a button on the page that would act as a folder close switch.

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