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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#9751: Mar 24th 2021 at 1:36:37 PM

That is honestly a lot less of a percentage than I expected. I mean it's still a lot, but less than I expected.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 24th 2021 at 3:45:52 AM

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#9752: Mar 24th 2021 at 2:42:19 PM

[up][up]So what you're saying is that movie could have been 3 hours and 36 minutes. I agree. lol

Edited by NoName999 on Mar 24th 2021 at 4:06:52 AM

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#9753: Mar 24th 2021 at 4:29:52 PM

So I just discovered this was a thing…

Honestly, I would probably have enjoyed that series as a kid. [lol]

Edited by Lyendith on Mar 24th 2021 at 12:32:14 PM

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#9754: Mar 24th 2021 at 4:32:52 PM

Given that there were extended sequences with the Flash in Bullet Time, that alone could skew the percentage quite a bit. Him saving Iris, resurrecting Superman, fighting Superman and reversing time to stop the Unity are fairly long set pieces that take place within a second.

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GrandmasterKiramidHead Since: Oct, 2010
#9755: Mar 24th 2021 at 6:33:54 PM

Well the major Flash set pieces would remain intact, but you could speed up Lois drinking coffee and say, Aquaman walking into the wave, and cut the Iris scene completely.

Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#9756: Mar 25th 2021 at 6:25:18 AM

The only Flash scene that NEEDS to be there is the last one. The one with Iris could be cut entirely, and the one in the sewer, IMO, would have been better if it was played the opposite, ie, at normal speed with little red flashes to show what Barry was doing (Granted, this is personal bias, as I prefer the 'Flash is too fast to see, on the results of his actions are visible' method of depicting his speed.)

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#9757: Mar 25th 2021 at 7:08:01 AM

[up]I agree — I think that would also make the Speed Force timeywimey scene more impactful.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#9758: Mar 25th 2021 at 7:25:20 AM

So the analyst metrics have said the Snyder Cut has seen slightly more views than Week 1 of Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

https://heroichollywood.com/justice-league-falcon-winter-soldier-views/

Here's my question. With the Snyder Cut out all at once, and Falcon being a weekly series, you would expect the former to trail off, right? It's the first big hit for the series, but it's one movie, airing at one date.

Edited by Beatman1 on Mar 25th 2021 at 10:25:56 AM

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#9759: Mar 25th 2021 at 7:33:46 AM

I mean, assuredly. A one-off event means that people could just sign up for a trial and ghost the service, so a series would likely be more enticing. I assume that HBO is basically counting on Godzilla vs. Kong to keep people on the service.

Also FWC also definitely cost more than the Snyder cut reshoots/edits and had a much harder marketing blitz.

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 25th 2021 at 10:34:33 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#9760: Mar 25th 2021 at 7:41:51 AM

Honestly it feels like people trying to force a rivalry between apples and oranges due to the companies behind them.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 25th 2021 at 10:42:29 AM

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#9761: Mar 25th 2021 at 7:56:19 AM

And there is the fact that some people that like to binge watch are holding up until all episodes are released.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#9762: Mar 25th 2021 at 7:59:27 AM

It helps (?) that a lot of people are doing it to Watch It for the Meme. While it's pleasantly and surprisingly better than the original, which was beyond garbage, it's unclear if it's got any retention factor beyond that. Especially since most of the people calling it "better" emphasize that it doesn't translate to "good in its own right".

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 25th 2021 at 11:06:06 AM

EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#9763: Mar 25th 2021 at 8:00:56 AM

There were only five/six sequences of variable length that showed Flash in Bullet Time: rescuing Iris, dodging the batarang, running along the tunnel wall, resurrecting Superman, fighting Superman and the big climactic moment. I think rescuing Iris you can trim back a little and passing Wonder Woman her sword wasn't a huge deal, but each were plot relevant and made to give weight to each event. The movie wasn't short on real speed Flash moments either, though. Him clearing the debris from the hostages was a really cool way to visualize how he must look to regular people.

As for analytics, it's definitely apples and oranges. The movie was made in large part because HBO Max wanted to piggyback on the Release the Snyder Cut media infrastructure, which helps keep them relevant even if the actual viewing numbers taper off. They are also tracking minutes watched and not just every time the video file is accessed, so a four hour movie is likely to have comparable viewing numbers to six 45 minute episodes of a tv show. Because of Disney+ and being part of the MCU, TFATWS will likely "win" out in the long run but this seems to indicate a decent start for both.

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Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#9764: Mar 25th 2021 at 8:01:11 AM

I would also love to see an actual Snyder Cut; ie a version edited for a theatrical release, as opposed to a polished workprint.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#9765: Mar 25th 2021 at 9:44:40 AM

If I'm remembering correctly, didn't Zack say that he doesn't like the idea of the Flash's speed force being able to protect people from the friction his speed causes, so in Justice League, he has to nudge people out of the way rather than straight-up grabbing them?

What do people think of that idea?

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#9766: Mar 25th 2021 at 9:59:20 AM

If he's moving so fast that everyone else is functionally standing still, nudging them would likely kill them anyways. I think it's a phenomenally bad take and it makes me roll my eyes every time I'm reminded of it.

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#9767: Mar 25th 2021 at 10:07:39 AM

[up] The only reason I'm semi-in favour of the idea is because I find Speedsters like The Flash to be completely broken nonsense, and the more drawbacks or hurdles they have to overcome the better in my opinion.

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#9768: Mar 25th 2021 at 10:13:59 AM

I think it's just unnecessary. Yes, realistically the people Flash touches would die from the friction if he grabs them, but that's why Willing Suspension of Disbelief exists - so the work doesn't have to have a Surprisingly Realistic Outcome if it doesn't want to and can get on with the plot.

Edited by Altris on Mar 25th 2021 at 10:19:42 AM

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EmeraldSource Since: Jan, 2021
#9769: Mar 25th 2021 at 10:18:41 AM

I don't think he's officially said anything that specific, but he does like exploring realistic behaviors of superpowers (heat vision hurts Superman a little just to use it) and it tracks with how Flashs Super-Speed is depicted here rather than the original release. He doesn't manually ferry the hostages to safety himself but does run a perimeter and encourage the stragglers. And much like Supermans heat vision it could be downplayed as he becomes more proficient at using his powers.

Edited by EmeraldSource on Mar 25th 2021 at 10:20:09 AM

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#9770: Mar 25th 2021 at 10:24:59 AM

And lets be honest, if this was in theaters and 'only' 1.8 million tickets were sold for the Snyder Cut on opening weekend against a 70 mill budget, not including marketing...that's not really good. Gets even worse if you factor in that a percentage will be on the 'Free Trial' time and will not stick around, so they in essence released a big budget film for free.

I know people are trying to use these numbers to show how much of a 'smash hit' the Snyder Cut is, and thusly justify the whole Restore The Snyder Verse movement but it needs those numbers week after week for several months in order to have even a bare bones case

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#9771: Mar 25th 2021 at 10:32:04 AM

For me it's more vindication of the importance of consistent creative vision and that sticking Joss Whedon on the Justice League, even if it's not entirely his fault, was indeed a bad idea. But while Snyder's vision for Justice League was better than what we got, it's still not something that would've been able to compete with the original Avengers film.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#9772: Mar 25th 2021 at 10:35:40 AM

I mean this wouldn't have been the version of the film released in theaters if Snyder had stayed on. If you get a good editor who actually knows what to cut down, released it with scenes from this version, and don't needlessly shoot scenes that don't need to be reshot. I could see this being at least a bigger success then the theatrical cut.

I mean some of the scenes that they reshot are baffling. Like all the Superman scenes. I mean quite literally it seemed like Whedon was mocking Snyder unintentionally at times with those reshootss. He made Superman talk in his fight with the Justice League, and change it from Lois being exited that he started talking on the farm again to him smelling good. I am not saying he did it on purpose, but I just find it weird.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 25th 2021 at 12:43:04 PM

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GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#9773: Mar 25th 2021 at 10:36:01 AM

I kinda really like the Snyder-verse despite myself. Like, I can't really defend a film like Batman vs Superman, but I've always been glad the movies exist and that they feel so different from Marvel's movies. I like the dour edginess and the sheer pseudo-intellectual pompousity of it all

Edited by GNinja on Mar 25th 2021 at 5:37:59 PM

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#9774: Mar 25th 2021 at 10:44:14 AM

I do not believe that all the re-shoots were Joss's idea, I believe they were all WB's.

Per SNYDER HIMSELF, WB themselves declared his original 2 hour and 20 minute cut of Justice League unacceptable. Full stop end of story as far as they were concerned the movie was trash and needed to be completely re-shot. So even in some Bizzaro World where Whedon looked at everything shot and stated "Hey with just a bit of editing we can trim this down to a good cut and just release it as is..." WB came back and went "NOPE! Re-Do it but in a really limited amount of time, a tiny budget and oh...use all the action scenes since they are already done."

Which now seeing the Snyder Cut is making everybody scratch their heads...what was SO BAD about the original 2 hour 20 minute cut that WB decided it should never see the light of day?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#9775: Mar 25th 2021 at 10:45:54 AM

Wait a minute, isn't Flash's "logical issues" like touching people at high speed and generating friction supposed to be solved by the Speed Force?

As in its the explanation for the secondary power requirements? Feels unncessary to come up with more explanations to that really.

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