Justice League

Oh, nice. Okay, theories about who he is playing:

• First and only guess: Nemesis. It just seems totally like a role he would play.

Yes, because Gunn casting a known actor in a role with limited lines is entirely out of character.

Edited by Larkmarn on Aug 26th 2019 at 8:38:33 AM

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Taika Waititi is in talks for a role in the Suicide Squad sequel/reboot.

New Harley Quinn and Wonder Woman 1984 images shown off at a licensing expo.

I'm thinking it'll be as a character more than a behind-the-scenes role.

Well, yes. It's specified he's playing someone, it just hasn't been revealed who yet.

Perhaps he'll reprise his role from the beloved Green Lantern movie.

Would make for some interesting Canon Welding if so. Now that the Expanded Universe has found some success perhaps the abortive original attempt to launch would find some new life between this film and Deadpool 2's.

Andy Muschietti confirms he's directing Flash (for now at least) and says don't expect any horror elements in it:

Peter Capaldi and Pete Davidson have joined the cast of The Suicide Squad.

Holy crap, yes. Peter Capaldi!

…Man, there's gonna be a lot of characters in this movie, isn't there…

According to Jeff Sneider of The Wrap, Matt Reeves apparently met with Mahershala Ali about playing Commissioner Gordon.

However, he cautions that Ali likely won't end up in the part after taking the Blade role.

Ah, really? Damn, I liked JK Simmons as Gordon.

I think it's fairly obvious by now this is not gonna be a prequel to the Snyder films and will probably recast most, if not everyone.

They can still use some of the same actors, even if it's not a prequel. Case in point: JK Simmons also played J Jonah Jameseon in Spider-Man: Far From Home, even though it's a total reboot from the Raimi films in which he also played JJJ.

The difference is people really loved J.K. Simmons' Jameson, as well as Raimi's Spider-Man films in general. Justice League was a flop and Gordon was barely in it, so it's not surprising they're recasting that part.

Edited by comicwriter on Sep 7th 2019 at 9:02:58 AM

Zack Snyder has revealed that the Martian Manhunter was supposed to be in Justice League and even revealed that there was supposed to be a twist where he was a character we had already seen before: General Swanwick, played by Harry Lennix.

Sigh. Okay, putting aside that Snyder seems to be doling out these things in bits and pieces, teasing the fanbase rather than just, I don't know, releasing everything at once or something, I actually do like this idea. Harry Lennix is a great actor and I can see him playing J'onn really well, either as Swanwick or mocapped. Plus, he's a character we've already been introduced to, so the introduction can be shorter.

The problem, however, is that now you are introducing another character into the group and he's a character that has, basically, the same powers as Superman. Unless the Martian Manhunter was going to be nerfed somehow, there's not a lot of reasons for the group to resurrect Superman (aside from, you know, having Superman there).

But all of this would have meant another character in a movie that was already overstuffed with characters, none of which have had their own movies except for Superman and Batman. And Snyder hadn't even filmed the scenes with Lennix:

Yeah, "apart from the scenes with Lennix" means that he hadn't filmed the story, since Lennix is the character.

So, apparently Snyder's version of Justice League would have been 214 minutes (that's three and a half hours, longer than even than Avengers: Endgame) and included:

• Darkseid (played by Ray Porter)
• Desaad (played by an unknown actor)
• Ryan Choi (played by Ryan Zheng)
• Cyborg's mother Elinore Stone (played by Karen Bryson)
• Aquaman's mentor Vulko (played by Willem Defoe)
• Iris West (played by Kiersey Clemons)
• Green Lanterns Kilowog and Tomar-Re (played by unknown actors)
• Cyborg being the heart of the film and, after failing to stop the Unity, the Flash goes back in time to give him a second change, using the Speed Force to project him into the Unity and stop it from the inside.

All of which sounds good (aside from the 214 minutes), but inside sources called it "unwatchable" and test audiences ranked Batman and Superman as the lowest of the main cast. It definitely seems as if the movie was an overstuffed nightmare and either should have been trimmed a lot or divided up into two films. Which also probably wouldn't have worked.

This isn't even going into Snyder's apparent ideas for Justice League 2 and 3. Apparently, Justice League 2 was going to be inspired by Final Crisis. It also would have ended with the Justice League defeated and the Earth devastated, with Snyder comparing it to the end of Infinity War, and Justice League 3 would have been set in the "Knightmare" world from BVS completely.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 5th 2019 at 10:29:54 AM

They really were going fast forward with the universe. Even with the issues JL already had, that sounds like a movie where you can't develop anything and no time for the events to sink in, and that's before looking at the narrative.

Wake me up at your own risk.

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Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 5th 2019 at 2:17:06 AM

Ehhhhhhhhh. Not sure if it'd be a hot idea to have your team of heroes outright lose when things are already pretty dispirited. Infinity War could do it because we were used to the MCU heroes having some silver lining of hope, which made Thanos' victory all the more impactful.

Yeah, probably for the best that Snyder got booted off when he did. I'm sorry he had to deal with a huge loss in his family, but BVS was showing he wasn't the best at big-time superhero movies.

All this information is largely speculative, we know broad ideas but don't know exactly how things would play out in practice if they went through with it. It was also seemingly intended to be spread out over a number of years, with Aquaman, Flash, Shazam and Cyborg solo movies in between so it's unlikely the first movie was going to be an outright cliffhanger.

Honestly, diving in to the DCU like they did turned out to be the best thing for them to do. Building the universe one at a time was not working out. We wouldn't have gotten Wonder Woman or Aquaman if they didn't do the character drop in BVS. They had an advantage over other works like Dark Universe in that they did have one modestly received movie to start with and higher audience anticipation for the characters, which culminated in confident character introductions.

Except they didn't even try to do this. They went from Man of Steel directly to Batman v Superman, which introduced Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, and the New Gods. While they got good reviews for Wonder Woman, rushing things made it worse for Suicide Squad and then for Justice League. That's one movie in five that got good reviews.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 5th 2019 at 6:45:01 AM

I will said Sydner does have some good ideas but he need a editos or something who tone it down, it remind me a little bit to lucas in thata regard(and just that regard) someone who goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overboard with stuff and suffer for it.

Funny thing is, I feel Wheedon suffer the same issue that Zack which is why it was a bad choice to Justice league.

I will said that DC at least feel their movie are diferent, I mean that was part of what some people(like myself) kinda wanted for them: that each movie have diferent feel because Marvel while good, does feel waaaaaay to samey after a while.

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Wanna see something really interesting? Here are detailed the development and production of several versions of Justice League (2017).

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Oct 8th 2019 at 5:10:16 PM

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