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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#576: Jun 4th 2011 at 8:44:44 AM

[up] But in those posts they were only using two quotes. Ostropoler was using at least four.

edited 4th Jun '11 8:45:37 AM by chihuahua0

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#577: Jun 4th 2011 at 8:47:14 AM

Wow. I couldn't even look at that. It was like My Little Pony on acid.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
Diva of Virtual Death
#578: Jun 4th 2011 at 8:48:37 AM

[up][up] Yeah, because I just grabbed the first few posts I could find. I've seen lengthier, and again, by forum mods too as often as not.

[up] It's temporary, to celebrate BotCon happening this weekend. Usually the color scheme is a lot tamer.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#579: Jun 4th 2011 at 8:51:49 AM

Anyway. People do all kinds of annoying stuff elsewhere. That doesn't make a reason for us to do annoying stuff here.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
Diva of Virtual Death
#580: Jun 4th 2011 at 8:54:10 AM

[up] So be it, but this is literally the first non-Slashdot formatted place I've encountered that has an issue with it.

Like I said, I guess you'll have to tell me how to respond to multiple people, then, when arrows aren't sufficient for context. Multiple posts?

edited 4th Jun '11 8:54:54 AM by Jeysie

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#581: Jun 4th 2011 at 9:14:48 AM

  • Troper A: You said <paraphrased>. I reply <and so on>

  • Troper B: You said <Paraphrased>. Did you mean <question?>

  • Troper C: What about <situation>? How does that fit with your statement that <statement>?

  • and so on

Or

  • Troper A, #6723; I disagree because <blah>
  • Troper B, #6734; That's certainly the way I see it.
  • Troper C, #6736; I'm assuming that you didn't see Troper B's post. He addresses that question.

edited 4th Jun '11 9:17:32 AM by Madrugada

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#582: Jun 4th 2011 at 9:20:42 AM

Or synthesize them into a post with a coherent point instead of responding to them individually.

Wait, why are we talking about this?

Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
Diva of Virtual Death
#583: Jun 4th 2011 at 9:22:32 AM

[up][up] In the first case, I generally don't like paraphrasing because it risks an erroneous summary based on a bad interpretation (and thus flawed context), but I guess I could try to do it.

And the second case is utterly useless to anyone else trying to follow the whole conversation, unless the posts being replied to happen to be on the same page or otherwise easily found.

[up] Because I was very taken aback at being told I could get my post ignored just for using what is commonly accepted post formatting everywhere else, so it put me off. But whatever, I guess...

edited 4th Jun '11 9:24:58 AM by Jeysie

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blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#585: Jun 4th 2011 at 10:03:35 AM

It is a bit overly harsh to react that way. It is extremely common and accepted around the net. Eddie may not like that style but that is the truth.

I don't like the quote pile and it would have been nice if maybe Hershlee broke it up a bit/condensed it or something.

You use it to show exactly what you are responding to in various conversations. It is little different from copy pasting the entire conversation in between quotations or using various available markups to distinguish what is not your words.

" See like this " Standardized response.

another point done like this.

Another Response.

It is a simple ,effective, and common way to track the various parts of the convo. I have yet to see a single troll use that format.

Most trolls just use a charming wall of text filled with drek and garbage.

It is also rude to deliberately ignore a poster because they use a commonly accepted posting habit because you have a personal dislike for said habit.

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Mandemo Since: Apr, 2010
#586: Jun 4th 2011 at 11:06:37 AM

Just throwing my two cents in, quoting post you are replying is accepted standard in following cases:

  • Said post was done several post ago, with original poster having replied to someone else in meantime(say, you go sleep and conversation continues)
  • You reply to numerous people
  • Your reply goes to new page, thus making following the conversation easier.

You may not like it, but you can't call it trolling. Quote pyramids are annoying, but usualy people start cutting them after they grow 2-3 tall, only quoting most recent.

edited 4th Jun '11 11:07:16 AM by Mandemo

msnoodles contessa di cavatappi Since: May, 2011
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#587: Jun 4th 2011 at 12:02:28 PM

Quotes are useful if you want to address certain points from various posts instead of having to paraphrase, specify, "re: about so and so", and so on. I don't see how it's "trollish" aside from the fact that it's standard in most forums aside from this one.

I can also see the merits of this discussion in a thread about culture and behavior norms.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#588: Jun 4th 2011 at 12:09:39 PM

How about ... in no case should there be more than 3? I personally think we can do without any.

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Mandemo Since: Apr, 2010
#589: Jun 4th 2011 at 12:49:09 PM

It's kinda hit-and-miss what is good amount. From my experience, 3(individual quotes) is good while having more is stretchign it. If you need more, it might be better using links to said post. I personally never were fans of "quote-inside-quote", AKA quote pyramid.

That might be good rule, max 3 quoteblocks. Anymore and you must link to post.

Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#590: Jun 4th 2011 at 1:43:48 PM

Synthesizing your replies into a coherent post is always best. Most of the time you don't really need to reiterate everything that was said or even directly address anyone to get your point across.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#591: Jun 4th 2011 at 3:07:40 PM

It helps in fast moving and active conversations though. Especially since the convo had advanced a fair amount by the time Hershlee came back it made sense to point out what he was specifically replying to. Granted there were quite a few in his post.

A 3 quote block rule of courtesy sounds fine to me.

Yeah no quote pyramids those are rather annoying.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
Diva of Virtual Death
#592: Jun 4th 2011 at 4:21:39 PM

Sometimes a coherent post works, but other times a more point-by-point approach makes more sense. It varies.

Having multiple quoteblocks can help prevent "quoting the entire post" syndrome, which does tend to be rather troll-like. (Or at least ignorant that you're supposed to edit out all but the most relevant bits you're actually responding to.)

And yeah, quote pyramids are the devil. A two-level is occasionally useful depending on how the convo is structured, but more than that is annoying.

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#593: Jun 4th 2011 at 5:21:02 PM

@572: I'm not sure I agree with that.

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#594: Jun 4th 2011 at 5:38:46 PM

Don't agree with what? I made basically five different points in that post; you've got to be a little more specific, you know. tongue

edited 4th Jun '11 5:40:58 PM by TotemicHero

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#595: Jun 4th 2011 at 5:41:00 PM

Oh darn he might have to use quotes. :P

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Mandemo Since: Apr, 2010
#596: Jun 5th 2011 at 12:12:07 AM

Oh the irony!

Btw, can someone provide me "troll-quotes"? I have never seen quotes used in troll context. They have always been legimate uses.

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#597: Jun 5th 2011 at 6:25:28 AM

[up] There's only one incident that I can remember, and it was in the old Just Bugs Me forums. Basically, it was on a thread about gay rights where the troll started rebuking people left and right with one post.

You may have to search off-site, since cases like these tend to be thumped.

yourabitchbro Since: Dec, 1969
#598: Jun 5th 2011 at 7:54:39 AM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#599: Jun 5th 2011 at 8:27:36 AM

With a name like that, I kind of don't have to know what was thumped to know it's better I didn't see it.

...did that make any sense?

Anyway, while I can't give an example of responding to multiple posts, this is a case of it being used to pick apart a single post. Which arguably is a more annoying use than using it to reply to multiple posts.

Annoying or not, it doesn't prevent the poster from having good points. Just means the reader is likely going to be less open to them, due to having to sort through it. Eddie just takes this a step further.

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Jeysie Diva of Virtual Death from Western Massachusetts Since: Jun, 2010
Diva of Virtual Death
#600: Jun 5th 2011 at 11:03:04 AM

[up] Actually, I'm more open to a post formatted using quotes. Since it's way easier to follow the Context>Reply>Context>Reply that way, plus I have the exact words so that I'm operating from what was actually said versus a respondent's potentially incorrect summary.

The main factor is instead whether someone properly trims down what they're quoting.

I mean, it's the other way around—it's actually harder to sort through a post that has no context for replies, or a coherent post that's meant as a direct reply rather than just a general expression of thoughts.

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