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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1826: Sep 22nd 2015 at 9:14:44 PM

Clearly she split the difference, killing one and letting the other live to tell the story. Like a blue paladinette Keyser Söze.

@OM: Kirika's from Oriko and is an adorable mix of "Love Freak" and "violent maniac." Kanna's from Kazumi and wants revenge on a bunch of people who've never actually done anything to harm her because finding out she was artificially created made her wig right the fuck out.

edited 23rd Sep '15 2:02:31 AM by rikalous

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#1827: Sep 23rd 2015 at 1:39:02 AM

Which episode was that from again?

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#1828: Sep 23rd 2015 at 5:51:35 AM

Can't swear to it now, but ISTR it was ep 8.

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#1829: Sep 23rd 2015 at 9:35:21 AM

Ditto.

I'd always interpreted the scene to mean that she killed both, for lack of evidence to the contrary. It's what results in a more-literal-than-usual death for her as a hero, and a rebirth as a fallen hero—pitiable, for her remorse, but not savable.

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#1830: Sep 23rd 2015 at 12:43:55 PM

I seem to recall reading somewhere that there were conflicting statements from Shinbou and Urobuchi on the matter of the Douchebag Train Guys. One said she didn't kill them, and the other said she did, but I can't remember who said what.

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#1831: Sep 23rd 2015 at 12:50:14 PM

My money's on Urobuchi saying that she did kill them.

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#1832: Sep 23rd 2015 at 1:09:45 PM

I suspect they're just leaving it out there to troll us with. Heaven knows it'd be a very Urobochi thing to do.

That said: emotionally and thematically, it's a lot more powerful to interpret it as her having killed them—she's taken the irrevocable step away from being a hero, and "these people are dicks" is a much less powerful realization than "my god, what have I done?"

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#1833: Sep 23rd 2015 at 2:21:18 PM

Shinobi said she didn't, the manga said she did an Urobuchi said he left it ambiguous on purpose.

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#1834: Sep 23rd 2015 at 2:43:36 PM

You'll find he does that a lot.

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#1835: Sep 23rd 2015 at 2:53:19 PM

I thought it was well known that Urobochi is nourished by the tears of his viewers.

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#1836: Sep 23rd 2015 at 6:58:47 PM

Other things Urobuchi is nourished by:

  • Women with guns

  • Lovecraftian body horror

  • Ultraviolence

  • Lesbians

  • Alcohol

There's a chart for this.

Best girl: Kirika

I had a story idea that featured her pretty heavily – magical girls and the zombie apocalypse! also, politics! also, Roberta as a depressed, hard-drinking MG in her late twenties! – but eventually I realized I only had vague plot beats mapped out, and no thematic stuff or character arcs, and it wasn't that interesting an idea anyway, so I dropped it. I have another idea that interests me a lot more that I might actually write, though.

edited 23rd Sep '15 7:31:33 PM by majoraoftime

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#1837: Sep 23rd 2015 at 7:16:29 PM

Random idea: Witches Online

The new VRMMO 'Witches Online' has been released and Sayaka, one of the original beta testers, loads her copy. There, as 'Oktavia' she meets clumsy newbie 'Kriemhild', and helps her get familiar with the battle system.

However, it turns out no one can log out, and a giant apparition in the sky reveals that the game's creator Akemi Homura has turned the setting into a deathgame. To escape, they must journey deep into the 100 levels of the setting, the Universal Labyrinth, defeating the evil witch that rules each level, until they reach the last level and defeat the supreme witch, Walpurgisnacht.

Sayaka, trying to be a hero, abandons everyone and tries to get a head start, but after several months has not yet found the path to the next level.

One day, in a public gathering called by the player Candeloro to plan to kill the just-found Witch of the level, she meets a loner named Ophelia, and shares her apples with her. The two decide to team up in the raid against the first witch, Nagisa.

They defeat the boss, but Candeloro is killed, and to prevent the hostile crowd from indiscriminately turning on all beta testers, Sayaka takes it upon herself to draw their ire, coming out as a cheater and beta tester.

Months pass. Ophelia becomes vice-commander of the Guild Mitakihara Puella Magi, under the leadership of the invincible knight Homulilly, while Sayaka becomes a loner, trying to do everything herself and becoming more disillusioned about their chances of getting out...

edited 23rd Sep '15 7:21:13 PM by SCMof2814

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#1838: Sep 24th 2015 at 5:42:59 AM

So exactly like SAO just with some names swapped. That's a pretty lazy crossover.

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#1839: Sep 24th 2015 at 6:57:29 AM

And yet, still better than Iike 45% of all crossover fics…

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#1840: Sep 24th 2015 at 12:55:35 PM

That's such a low bar to clear there's little point in achieving it, really.

Also it takes us away from the PMMM world, which I treat as a strike against—after all, the world is an utterly fascinating one to work with.

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#1841: Sep 24th 2015 at 1:21:09 PM

I have to agree with the others on this. On Fanfiction.net, this is termed as "Fanmakes", in which people just edit a movie to insert their favorite characters into the film without any changes whatsoever. The end result is... Well, to quote one such fanmake...

"You said...festival." Discord said in a stern tone." "No!" Spike said as he facepalmed himself for what he said earlier. "You are thinking about going to the festival!" Discord said as he got up, and started to leave. As Spike followed his master, he said "It's just that...you go every year." As they went down the stairs, Discord said "I am a public offical. I must go! But I don't enjoy a moment!..."

Emphasis mine. This line comes from a character who is best summed up as a troll... yet when it comes to the Feast of Fools, he hates it for some reason. Your idea can work, but you'd have to edit the story around so that it'd fit with the characters, as Sayaka will not act like Kirito 100% of the time.

A piece of advice is to find a nail in the system and editing it to fit the new story.

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#1842: Sep 24th 2015 at 1:35:31 PM

Judge Discord longed to purge the world of vice and sin!
And he saw corruption everywhere except—within.

No, no, even as someone with only a cursory knowledge of MLP/FIM, that particular casting choice is insane.

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#1843: Sep 24th 2015 at 2:41:31 PM

Um, ahem. Speaking as somebody trying to raise that bar...

I did my first crossover because I had a story idea for an unconventional Crossover Ship, one that I thought was too good to abandon after things got too toxic in the forum RP from which it originated. Yes, it sprung from an RP, but by the end I think I succeeded in making it something far more than I or anyone else anticipated it would be. I mean, I didn't spend two and a half years working on it just for a lark... I had a really good plot, an interesting relationship, and a definite end point in mind almost from the beginning.

In all my PMMM crossovers since then, I've made an effort to explore the implications of PMMM's rules being applied to other characters and other universes. I'm not throwing Sailor Moon or whoever into Mitakihara and seeing what happens for the hell of it.

It kind of hurts to see people who love PMMM as much as I do summarily dismiss any and all crossovers as "shit" just because of Sturgeon's Law, is all I'm saying.

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#1844: Sep 24th 2015 at 5:03:13 PM

To be fair, I dismiss most fics as shit largely because of the Sturgeon's Law (although I also have other reasons like a horrible, non-existent, or stupid sounding synopsis).

The best crossover I've ever seen would have to be Fate/Revelation Online. It melds together the two settings absolutely perfectly and involves characters from both sides.

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#1845: Sep 24th 2015 at 6:03:55 PM

[up][up][up][up]Wait, those are an actual thing? Like, in the form of a full fic, not just a post or two?

Why? What's even the point of writing all that if you're just changing the names?

edited 24th Sep '15 6:04:20 PM by rikalous

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#1846: Sep 24th 2015 at 6:05:43 PM

I've seen it done where Someone rewrote the Twilight Saga but replaced the cast with characters from Sonic the Hedgehog. It was literally the worst fic I have ever read. It covered the a large chunk of book in about four chapters that were written entirely in bold font.

edited 24th Sep '15 6:06:21 PM by Zelenal

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#1848: Sep 26th 2015 at 1:21:00 PM

Something that might have some cross-over potential, if only for relatively small projects or glancing mentions: the ones who got away. All the fictional or historical girls who seem like ideal candidates, who were offered contracts, who refused, and who achieved greatness anyway without selling their souls.

The idea was sparked by Mattie Ross coming up in discussion: in Madokaverse terms, she didn't need to sell her soul to the devil; she had the grit and the courage to hunt down Chaney without supernatural aid. Kyubey probably views her as a great missed opportunity; Madoka on the other hand may well have a separate entry system for Valhalla for all those who arguably had even more strength of character than many a meguca.

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#1849: Sep 26th 2015 at 4:54:25 PM

How about a crossover with Soul Eater?

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#1850: Sep 27th 2015 at 7:52:48 AM

Here's a protip: the best fanfictionnote  draws influences from things other than the series you're writing about. Books, films, history, your own experiences, etc. Of course, reading widely and reflecting on what you consume is just good advice in general if you want to become a smarter, more thoughtful person.

Getting back to fics, take for example this OreGairu fic. Heavily influenced by Graham Greene's The End of The Affair, and it's a lot stronger for it. That author has some good general advice, actually:

My advice to aspiring fanfiction writers? Read widely and try to write outside your comfort zone. Also, read reviews and criticism, not just about fanfiction but about the series that you are writing about. Bonus points if you write your own criticism as well.

Shipping is not everything. If you like romance, go ahead and write it, but don’t feel the need to base your story around pairings simply because everyone else is doing it.

Being “in-character” is not everything. A strong author’s voice is far more important. If you want to find out if your characterisation is consistent, you should show your story to someone who is unfamiliar with the fandom you are writing about. If they can grasp the overall tone of your story and the personalities of the characters, then you’ve succeeded in writing “in-character” in the way that matters.

Plan your shit. You don’t have to write a step-by-step outline or multiple appendices, but at least have an idea of what you’re doing and how you’re going to get there.

Mary Sue litmus tests are full of crap. Badly written original characters usually piss readers off because everyone else in the story acts inconsistently. Focus on internal consistency and believable relationships between the characters and I guarantee that none (or barely any) of your original character’s surface traits will make them seem “Mary Sue-ish”.

And finally, remember that your OTP is shit. I mean it. If you can’t imagine your OTP not being together, it’s a shit OTP. People are individuals with complex desires before they are one half of a couple. Try to understand the people you write about. Try to empathise.

edited 27th Sep '15 7:53:09 AM by majoraoftime


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