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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#12901: Jun 28th 2020 at 4:51:54 PM

Sweet.

One more thing I keep forgetting about:

What the hell kind of blades are Shulk and Fiora? I think I've read Shield Hammer for Shulk and some kind of healing blade for Fiora, but I'm not sure how accurate that is.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jun 28th 2020 at 5:52:56 AM

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RainingMetal Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#12902: Jun 28th 2020 at 4:57:52 PM

Shulk is a Light Shield Hammer-expy, Fiora is a Wind Twin Rings-expy, and Elma is a Dark Twin Rings-expy. Basically, think of Poppibuster clone, Mikhail clone, and Fiora, though Shulk and Elma are both classified as attackers instead of tank and healer, respectively. And remember that these are technically not blades and can be moved around drivers freely. I find Fiora and Elma to be effective on Nia, while Morag and Zeke can use Shulk well.

Using Shulk and/or Fiora allows you to have visions regarding strong attacks that can be intercepted just like in the first game. Having Elma lets you use Overdrive which boosts your stats and can be maintained depending on your actions. This costs you chain attack energy though, so be careful not to get into the danger zone when you've activated it.

Edited by RainingMetal on Jun 28th 2020 at 4:59:39 AM

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#12903: Jun 28th 2020 at 6:11:17 PM

Only Shulk allows you to have vision. And Fiora is actually an offensive and stat buff support Blades. Shulk focuses on stat buff and utilities.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Jun 28th 2020 at 6:11:56 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#12904: Jun 28th 2020 at 6:12:27 PM

Yeah. I noted that. I'm thinking I might put Shulk on someone else (got him on Rex right now) so I can get the visions without need to have him equipped at all times.

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#12905: Jun 28th 2020 at 6:40:40 PM

Really? I was certain having Fiora in your party also granted you visions. Maybe it's just the times I had both.

Fiora is technically classified as a healer, but she hits hard which is why people user her as an attacker. The terminology doesn't really matter so long as your arts are reliable.

But given that Rex isn't a very good Shield Hammer user, and already has a light blade, definitely move Shulk to Morag or Zeke. The former if you want to give your dodge tank some offensive power and Topple attacks, the latter for "I'm really feeling it!" and extra Launch opportunities.

Edited by RainingMetal on Jun 28th 2020 at 6:41:33 AM

justinkal Since: Oct, 2016
#12906: Jun 28th 2020 at 6:42:26 PM

Also, despite Fiora being classified as a Healer blade, she's actually one of the highest dps blades in the entire game.

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#12907: Jun 28th 2020 at 7:23:33 PM

In fact, I believe Enel's tier list places her as the second best Blade in the game, behind only Poppi QTpi

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justinkal Since: Oct, 2016
#12908: Jun 28th 2020 at 7:37:59 PM

That is true, but I'd say more noteworthy is that getting "really high" rather than "absurd" dps requires basically zero effort with Fiora.

The most obvious and simple way to do this is to exploit that on some drivers she gets a multihit AOE driver art with Critical Recharge.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#12909: Jun 28th 2020 at 8:12:19 PM

Right. I can tell what challenge Quest unlocks Elma (Visitor from another World isn't even trying to keep it a secret), but I have no clue how I get Shulk and Fiora out of that hole and into Alrest. Guess I'll need to check online for it. Or logically speaking, it must be one of those special battles.

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#12910: Jun 28th 2020 at 8:58:35 PM

You will have to do Elma:Redux to permanently unlock her. It is Visitor From Another World but 10 times harder.

Shulk and Fiora are unlocked by Dino Drama.

I guess Fiora is classified as a Healer because in Xenoblade 1 she is the poster girl of crit healing.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Jun 28th 2020 at 9:01:40 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#12912: Jun 28th 2020 at 9:07:45 PM

I told you the challenge required to get Shulk and Fiora was a certain one with a title among those lines (it wasn't exact, but it was there). Previous page, it's there. I'm sad that you didn't listen to my advice.

Edited by RainingMetal on Jun 28th 2020 at 9:13:06 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#12913: Jun 29th 2020 at 7:39:31 PM

Well, I listened now, and I got them.

Wow, it sure is nice when what I do actually matters and all, unlike other blades.

P.S. Fuck you KOS-MOS. Fuck you and your creator.

Anyway, next up is Elma, though I may work on a few more nodes for Shulk and Fiora first.

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#12914: Jun 29th 2020 at 8:00:32 PM

Elma's challenge is a real pain in the ass. You'll want to use a dark blade combo to prevent her from spawning more Ghost Factory clones after you've taken the first ones out (they'll block your chain attack meter while they live). I don't know if she only does this once she Turns Red, or if it's a constant art, but I made sure to stick with the dark blade combo throughout the fight. It lasted forever. Perhaps I was wrong and it only happens one other time. Find out for me, will you? Challenges like this are something I would genuinely rather go blade farming all over again instead. I can handle tedium, but not frustration.

Err, there's also some bad news; I believe one of Elma's exploration nodes requires all the crossover characters to be active. All of them. You know whom I'm referring to, and you have my condolences.

Edited by RainingMetal on Jun 29th 2020 at 8:01:51 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#12915: Jun 29th 2020 at 8:07:02 PM

[up]Yeah. I know who you mean.

I'll get that bitch. I'll get her. One of the reasons I'm gonna finally jump to New Game Plus is to have other things to do besides just fuck around while trying to get her.

Anyway, thanks for the tips about Elma.

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#12916: Jun 29th 2020 at 8:10:28 PM

May as well try to get a setup that will net you SP for Vandham's chart. It certainly kept me busy, and nets a lot of core crystals too. My personal setup was Pyra-Akhos-Common Earth Katana Blade with Orb Master with Rex, Dromarch-Elma-Fiora/Adenine for Nia, and Ice Poppi for Tora. Feel free to switch around elements according to what you find.

Also, you'll lose Poppi's other forms until you reach the end of Chapter 4 where you obtain both of them back once you start New Game Plus. So make sure her taller forms aren't holding anything you want on Alpha.

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#12917: Jun 29th 2020 at 8:10:34 PM

Player-controlled Zeke or Morag armed with Corvin + Dark Blade are my go-to strategy against Elma. I use the Dark combo first ASAP on the original Elma and then switch to Corvin.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#12918: Jun 30th 2020 at 3:48:47 PM

Alright. I got Elma. I tried to test it out, but the mission I chose kept causing me to die quickly and burn up the party gauge, so I only got to use overdrive once. I had her on Rex. Maybe he's the wrong dude for the job?

Edit: Oh, now I remember. Supposed to use her on Nia.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jun 30th 2020 at 4:51:22 AM

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#12919: Jun 30th 2020 at 3:56:41 PM

Rex, being one of the worst Twin Rings users in the game, should never use Elma. Elma's basically Nia's best means of Dark coverage, and probably her only option given how badly Twin Rings have it in this game.

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#12920: Jun 30th 2020 at 4:36:16 PM

Rex has the best or second best damage output out of Twin Rings.

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#12921: Jun 30th 2020 at 4:45:53 PM

No Driver Combo arts or direct healing arts is a no-deal for me. I can get enough raw damage from driver combos anyway. Maybe it's different with Fiora & Elma due to the critical recharge arts, but I think Nia really needs those boons to her inventory more than anyone.

Edited by RainingMetal on Jun 30th 2020 at 4:53:49 AM

justinkal Since: Oct, 2016
#12922: Jun 30th 2020 at 5:04:09 PM

Honestly, the real reason to use Elma is that she's got a crazy high 20% strength increase and lets you use Overdrive.

Everyone does get an Evasion art from her though, which can be nice.

And yeah, its different with Fiora because her Critical Recharge art is an AOE that can be spammed just as much as Mythra's arts. That's god tier for burning through hordes of enemies.

Edited by justinkal on Jun 30th 2020 at 7:06:04 AM

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#12923: Jun 30th 2020 at 5:05:11 PM

Who needs direct healing Arts by the time you get Elma?

For me the real reason to use Elma is Bringer of Chaos as something to replace Chain Attack.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Jun 30th 2020 at 5:07:16 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#12925: Jun 30th 2020 at 7:47:37 PM

Alright. Was properly able to test out Elma's Overdrive.

Once I remembered how it worked (as long as the party gauge is full, you can keep restarting it), It became super useful. I just gotta do better with filling the gauge faster and it'll be mwah ha ha time!

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jun 30th 2020 at 8:47:47 AM

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