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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#54: Apr 15th 2011 at 11:56:07 AM

If someone wants to make a crowner, go ahead.

Cutting a page this big and this heavily used is going to cause all kinds of wailing and gnashing of teeth if we don't do it with a certain amount of deliberation. While there isn't a tremendous amount of activity on this discussion now, there sure will be a ton of it if we just cut it without due process.

edited 15th Apr '11 12:04:21 PM by blackcat

SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#55: Apr 15th 2011 at 1:24:08 PM

Well, now we have a single-prop crowner.

blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#56: Apr 15th 2011 at 1:26:21 PM

Feel free to add options, I added the ones that were on the list on the previous page.

Angeldog2437 from New York Since: Jun, 2010
#57: Apr 15th 2011 at 11:06:07 PM

Maybe we could only cut the ones that are very complain-ish, and keep the ones that aren't? I think someone already suggested this, though.

SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#58: Apr 16th 2011 at 1:09:42 AM

Good luck drawing the line of what's too "complainy" and what's fine.

edit: Plus, there's the rest of the wiki.

edited 16th Apr '11 2:06:26 AM by SpellBlade

Angeldog2437 from New York Since: Jun, 2010
#59: Apr 16th 2011 at 4:00:12 PM

[up]True. Hmm... maybe the examples that have explanations for the derailment are kept (like different Po Vs are causing it), and the rest are cut? (Sorry if this doesn't make much sense.)

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#60: Apr 16th 2011 at 4:25:12 PM

I'm saying no for the Darth Wiki vote. It shouldn't be a wasteland where hopeless cases are exiled to.

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#61: Apr 16th 2011 at 7:30:27 PM

[up]We could solve that with a red link to discourage pepole from linking it like Wallbanger and MostTriumphantExample.

If this page winds up having to keep it's examples, we'll have to add some strict rules at the top of the page and have a curator zap any entries that don't apply to them.

However, the examples would be from a large varitey works, genres and mediums making it really hard to curate.

I really don't think keeping this trope clean is an option.

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SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#63: Apr 18th 2011 at 3:37:29 PM

Okay, I'm a little worried.

Cleaning the examples is doing well in the crowner but I just don't see how that would be practical.

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DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#64: Apr 19th 2011 at 1:48:28 PM

Bump. Anyone else concerned about what to do if we have to clean this?

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#65: Apr 19th 2011 at 3:58:32 PM

[up]Well, I wanted to cut and lock it, but apparently there's just too many people around who like venting their spleen about things. Frankly, I think I'm just going to pretend this page doesn't exist from now on.

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#66: Apr 19th 2011 at 4:18:44 PM

What's getting me is that almost no one in this thread voulenteered to clean it but the option to do that is doing very well.

Cleaning this seems like the hardest option but I think very few people actually want to participate in it.

edited 19th Apr '11 4:19:41 PM by DrStarky

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Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#67: Apr 19th 2011 at 4:22:28 PM

Actually, the most popular option is a flame bait banner... Which is pretty much just saying "Oh well."

I'll try cleaning it.

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DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#68: Apr 19th 2011 at 4:26:58 PM

I thought a flamebait banner would make the trope appear redlinked, like Wallbanger or This Troper. That's what I had in mind when I put it on the crowner.

That would prevent it from being used to complain around the wiki, though it that still leaves a mess on the page.

edited 19th Apr '11 4:28:22 PM by DrStarky

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#69: Apr 19th 2011 at 4:37:27 PM

Flamebait banners leave red links? If so, then I guess that would improve things.

I'll try looking at the individual pages now to see if I can clean them a bit, but if the flamebait option redlinks the page, I'm all for it.

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DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#70: Apr 19th 2011 at 4:41:40 PM

Should I edit that option to clarify a redlink or start a new option?

I don't want to bait and switch anyone's vote.

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#71: Apr 19th 2011 at 4:49:42 PM

Question: When cleaning, should I take out examples where there was no character to derail?

A good example: One of the video game examples says Amy Rose was derailed into becoming an obsessive Sonic fangirl. From my knowledge of the games, Amy had no character traits other than her liking for Sonic before it became such a huge trait.

...

Actually, that example would probably fall under Flanderization, not character derailment, but the point stands: Does there have to be character in the first place?

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DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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#72: Apr 19th 2011 at 4:53:24 PM

I haven't seen Amy's original appearance, but being a shallow character is still a character.

edited 19th Apr '11 4:54:00 PM by DrStarky

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#73: Apr 19th 2011 at 4:55:33 PM

Kay, but Amy still falls under Flanderization, not Character Derailment, from what I can tell.

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nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#74: Apr 19th 2011 at 5:04:58 PM

The flame bait banner does not cause a red link.

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#75: Apr 19th 2011 at 5:07:48 PM

Then I am misinformed.

I added an option to Faux Redlink.

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15th Apr '11 1:22:56 PM

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What would be the best way to fix the page?

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