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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#26: Apr 5th 2011 at 12:04:23 AM

Oh christ, at least two of my personal bête noire's are there, the extensive whining about Lamia and Gundam Seed Destiny.

That entire page is a mess from beginning to end.

Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
Burn
#27: Apr 5th 2011 at 12:25:13 AM

Actually, I took the Gundam Seed example off the page and put it on discussion because it was too long and was disgustingly nattery. I don't really care who's right, it's just annoying seeing someone giving the entire history of the character in response to a paragraph in response to another paragraph.

So there's currently no Gundam Seed whining on the page. There's still other nattery shit.

Let it burn.

edited 5th Apr '11 12:33:31 AM by Scardoll

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SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#28: Apr 5th 2011 at 12:57:26 AM

So what's the rule on consensus for deleting examples?

Redhead Since: Jan, 2011
#29: Apr 5th 2011 at 7:36:29 AM

Cutting the examples would still leave references to the trope on other pages. I'm guessing you guys don't want that.

What if we were to cut the examples and allow new ones, under one condition: if an entry is contested in any way, it's out and it goes on the discussion page. Kind of like what Scardoll did, but for every example.

edited 5th Apr '11 8:44:26 AM by Redhead

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#30: Apr 5th 2011 at 8:30:17 AM

How about moving this to the Darth Wiki? It's better than just cutting everything. Like Wallbager it gas a place just not I'n the general wiki.

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redlar Since: Jul, 2009
#31: Apr 5th 2011 at 9:23:20 AM

[up]I'd support that.

On the issue of tropes like this: Can't we just designate a section of the wiki Subjective Tropes/Opinion Tropes and let tropers go wild? It would be better than cutting tropes and examples every few months when someone comes across a trope they find to not meet the constantly evolving standards.

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Redhead Since: Jan, 2011
#32: Apr 5th 2011 at 10:07:02 AM

The idea is doing so would reflect badly on the wiki and invite natter/complaining elsewhere.

I'm not very anti-complaining like most of TRS, but if you're going to stamp that sort of thing out, simply cutting the examples or moving it to Darth Wiki will only solve half the problem.

edited 5th Apr '11 11:11:04 AM by Redhead

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#33: Apr 5th 2011 at 10:19:23 AM

[up]Doesn't the ykttw namespace cover that already?

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Redhead Since: Jan, 2011
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#35: Apr 5th 2011 at 11:17:01 AM

[up]Yeah, that was a typo.

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Redhead Since: Jan, 2011
#36: Apr 5th 2011 at 11:48:47 AM

But would putting the examples in YMMV solve that natter problems that make Character Derailment such a problem?

Come to think of it, I don't actually know how the wicks to Character Derailment are, compared to the page itself.

edited 5th Apr '11 11:48:56 AM by Redhead

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Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
Burn
#37: Apr 5th 2011 at 2:52:18 PM

YMMV is interesting for some people, but whining just isn't as interesting as the majority of other subjective stuff. Worse, it's a natter magnet.

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DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#38: Apr 5th 2011 at 3:25:25 PM

I don't think putting this YMMV or Darth Wiki will curb the warring and bashing.

Cutting the examples would prolly be the best option.

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redlar Since: Jul, 2009
#39: Apr 5th 2011 at 5:50:18 PM

Actually, I heard that Troper Tales was recently moved to its own wiki; could we make a natter wiki to catch all the flak from here and move it off-site?

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DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#40: Apr 5th 2011 at 6:24:42 PM

First off. Troper Tales has not been moved to it's own site.

Last off. If there's really any Natter worth saving, archive it on the discussion page.

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#41: Apr 6th 2011 at 4:47:26 AM

[up][up]: No the Fetish Fuel pages and its related Troper Tales pages were moved to another wiki, Fetish Fuel Wiki at Wikia.

Let's YMMV it. I don't want another trope being exiled to Darth Wiki yet.

SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#42: Apr 6th 2011 at 1:29:42 PM

It's already on YMMV - the issue lies with the examples.

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#43: Apr 7th 2011 at 2:18:44 PM

I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record, but I don't see why we can't just give it an Example Sectionectomy.

edited 7th Apr '11 2:24:15 PM by DrStarky

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SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#44: Apr 7th 2011 at 2:44:11 PM

So, are we planning to kill all the Character Derailment examples on the site and give it the flamebait banner, or just Example Sectionectomy the ones on the page?

edited 7th Apr '11 2:44:20 PM by SpellBlade

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#46: Apr 10th 2011 at 1:34:25 PM

I don't really see why we can't flamebait Character Derailment, but no matter what the examples on the page have to go.

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blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#47: Apr 10th 2011 at 7:33:59 PM

The discussion on this page has been going on for not quite two weeks, let's give it a little more time before we start taking action. Wednesday will be two weeks. Let's revisit it then. OK?

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#48: Apr 11th 2011 at 2:39:12 PM

[up]If you insist.

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DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#49: Apr 13th 2011 at 2:17:40 PM

Alright, it's Wednesday.

Who's ready to take action?

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DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
Okay Guy
#50: Apr 13th 2011 at 4:23:38 PM

How about a crowner with options like these:

How about it?

edited 13th Apr '11 4:24:03 PM by DrStarky

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15th Apr '11 1:22:56 PM

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What would be the best way to fix the page?

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