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I was never exposed to Lola Bunny, could anyone explain the hate?

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#1: Mar 28th 2011 at 7:44:43 AM

Well, the title says it all. I've read in various places of the wiki that adding her was a disaster, but no explanation beyond that.

I checked some Scrappy and Wesley pages, to no avail.

Could someone sum the problem up for a guy without firsthand experience of it?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
eX 94. Grandmaster of Shark Since: Jan, 2001
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#2: Mar 28th 2011 at 7:48:08 AM

She isn't a Looney Tune, she is The Chick and a love interested for Bugs.

edited 28th Mar '11 7:49:19 AM by eX

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Mar 28th 2011 at 7:52:39 AM

I suppose the hate mostly comes from how she kind of sucked the humor out of scenes, in favor of cliche Love Interest-ness. I don't remember her cracking a single joke or making a single gag, beyond Bugs' takes.

She also overemphasized of pretty much every widely used 90's girl-among-a-group-of-boys trope in existence. She wasn't really meant to be funny, I suppose: she was 100% solid You Go, Girl!, in a movie that maybe called for a little humor for every character.

edited 28th Mar '11 7:54:04 AM by KnownUnknown

kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#4: Mar 28th 2011 at 7:53:36 AM

People have several problems with her. She comes off as a shoe-horned chick character that the execs thought was a requirement to make them fresh in Space Jam, while one wonders if they were aware how the 80's were gone by then. Others, like the Critic (no, not that Critic), thought they were trying to make people hump animals!

edited 28th Mar '11 7:54:26 AM by kyun

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#5: Mar 28th 2011 at 8:11:12 AM

Thanks for your answers.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
prinzenick Since: Sep, 2009
#6: Mar 28th 2011 at 10:19:19 AM

She's one-dimensional executive fodder who was thrown into the movie to pander to the female demographic. At least Back In Action did a take that to the idea of Bugs having a female co-star.

Theoriginalblader Sloving cases one by one from Downtown Since: Feb, 2011
Sloving cases one by one
#7: Mar 28th 2011 at 10:34:45 AM

I rememeber hearing that Fritz Freleng didn't like the idea of giving Bugs a girlfriend in the first place, but I dont remember a whole lot regarding on it because its been 4 years since I listened to the DVD commentary of Space Jam.

boobustuber on a horse from hey what did i just say Since: Apr, 2010
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#8: Mar 28th 2011 at 10:35:01 AM

No personality, except a crap attempt at being edgy and bitchy. "Don't EVAH CALL ME DOLL!1", I guess, is supposed to make her liberated. Automatically better than all the boys. No slapstick. A bit of a Mary Sue.

In short, a terrible way to write a "strong female character".

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#9: Mar 28th 2011 at 1:44:27 PM

[up][up][up]That.

In her every incarnation she also ends up being the most hated character. She's pretty much pointless in Baby Looney Tunes and she was pretty bland in Loonatics Unleashed.

Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin Since: Jul, 2010
I Am The Walrus
#10: Mar 28th 2011 at 2:09:23 PM

The Scrappy in Baby Looney Tunes was Petunia. Annoying, useless and there was no reason to why she was created or made a main character. She made Lola look like a character from the Golden Age.

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Dreamer Since: May, 2009
#11: Mar 28th 2011 at 2:13:43 PM

Funny you should mention that, as I always had this weird fanfic idea (That I never wrote down) of a sort of "TV show idea that ain't ever gonna happen" featuring her, and trying to give her character, as basically a struggling actress who's sort of a Bugs Bunny in training (played for comedy of course).

  • Her supporting cast would include a humanoid spider/mad scientist best friend, a perpetually angry landlord based on John K., a Bishounen son of Satan who's not really all that evil, amongst other things.
  • Ideas for stories I had (but again, never wrote down), include:
    • Lola trying to prevent Michael Bay from blowing up her house
    • Lola accidentally becoming a magical girl by accident and bring a Looney Tunes sensibility to the whole thing
    • A stupid parody on Rocky Horror
    • An episode where she stumbles upon a Church of Happyology and finds the aforementioned demon running the whole thing
    • A take on the It's a Wonderful Plot concept, except for Lola trying to set up an elaborate scheme to make it look like she's a guardian angel angel (And which involves crossdressing and bears in cow suits) to keep the producer from the show she's trying to get a part on from killing himself.
    • Lola getting shrunk and trying to lead the cockroaches in a communist revolution.
    • Lola trying to get to an audition that she's currently running very late to, in a madcap chase through the city
And yes, I know this probably belongs on the Creative Writing section, but I just wanted to get it off my chest on this topic. I really hope I don't sound like the "Avatar/Dexter's Lab crossover maker who has no concept of copyright." guy

edited 28th Mar '11 2:13:57 PM by Dreamer

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#12: Mar 28th 2011 at 3:32:07 PM

^^ I've never seen the show, but do you mean Petunia Pig? Isn't she a Golden Age character?

Playedforkeeps Since: Oct, 2010
#14: Mar 28th 2011 at 3:50:38 PM

The only people who dont hate her are people into furries, uggh. Also I think the hate may be for being a character just for the adding time fillers for Space Jam.

Buscemi I Am The Walrus from a log cabin Since: Jul, 2010
I Am The Walrus
#15: Mar 28th 2011 at 4:24:40 PM

But if Petunia was so important, why would you keep her retired for so long (I don't ever remember seeing her in the originals) and then bring her back out of nowhere? Her appearance in Baby Looney Tunes was such a BLAM moment that you wonder who she is and why she overshadows characters like Road Runner.

Also, she makes Lola Bunny look like a good character in comparison.

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RichReeders Official Muffin Watcher from Watching this muffin. Since: Feb, 2011
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#16: Mar 28th 2011 at 5:08:47 PM

Lola was a pair of tits in a majority-male group.

That's essentially all she was and is.

edited 28th Mar '11 5:09:15 PM by RichReeders

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Mattonymy Mr. Dr. from The Evils of Free Will Since: Jul, 2010
Mr. Dr.
#17: Mar 28th 2011 at 5:45:53 PM

To me, Lola represents the ultimately useless Smurfette Principle of the Looney Tunes. Since she made her first appearance in the lackluster Space Jam, she was pretty much only to satisfy the Moms and feminists who might think the film is a "sausage fest". She had little to no personality outside a weird sex icon and, honestly, the only other Looney Tunes media I can remember her being in is Baby Looney Tunes (save Looney Tunes Show, which hasn't come out yet). And there's been other female Looney Tunes before, so no one give me this crap that she's a needed female character in a male cast because she really wasn't.

Plus, to quote Bugs from Back In Action, "Usually, I play the female love interest!".

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#19: Mar 28th 2011 at 5:52:27 PM

Yeah, that Bugs me too. Well, hopefully she'll at least become a fully fleshed out character or maybe she'll get shoved under the rug after the series begins.

For more information see my wild mass guess

The series is just an All Grown Up version of Baby Looney Tunes.
wild mass guess

edited 28th Mar '11 5:53:04 PM by Mattonymy

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#20: Mar 28th 2011 at 6:07:03 PM

But if Petunia was so important, why would you keep her retired for so long (I don't ever remember seeing her in the originals) and then bring her back out of nowhere?

Nobody said she was that important a character from that age (the only big important characters to come out of the Porky Pig cartoons were him, Daffy, and a couple of Porky's friends that still didn't stick around).

But, I'm not sure LT should be criticized for trying to bring their characters back and give them presence again, instead of only working with the few characters that sell the best.

In any case, Petunia and Lola are returning again for The Looney Tunes Show, hopefully with a nice humor boost for both of them.

^ Lola's problem is that she was a fairly base love interest, with not much too her besides that and the You Go, Girl! thing... but who knows, maybe the right writer can reimagine her into something good (though we can only hope that, even if that actually does become the case, the fandom won't just reject her on principle).

edited 28th Mar '11 6:15:02 PM by KnownUnknown

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#22: Mar 28th 2011 at 9:30:44 PM

Here's the page, which has a video.

She's... well, that was funny, anyway. Dunno what to say: I was almost expecting a rip-off of Daisy Duck. Not sure what we got, but she got laughs outta me.

edited 28th Mar '11 9:30:55 PM by KnownUnknown

SandJosieph Since: Dec, 2009
#23: Mar 28th 2011 at 9:36:55 PM

She's very different from what I was thinking. Maybe there's hope for her.

Belial Since: Sep, 2011
#24: Mar 28th 2011 at 9:39:43 PM

Furry fanservice. That is all.

Shota Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
#25: Mar 28th 2011 at 9:47:31 PM

Her talkitiveness could get annoying real fast. In fact, I would say that's the unfunniest clip on that site. The scene with Speed Gonzalez is probably the best on that site though. It's got the looniest animation, and best dialogue.

I want to hear more music though.


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