Pleas forgive me on this one but the FDA, FCC,DOE ando ther such orginizations have no constitutional authority to exist there is nothing in the constitution that allows the federal government to establish and manage them to my knowledge. Also keep in mind I just got backfrom and MRI and still kind of sedated.
Oh yes and I forgot the obvious IRS and Federal Reserve.
edited 31st Mar '11 10:39:04 AM by tnu1138
We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?Ok let's start witht he Federal Reserve the constitution clearly states that only gold and silver can be used as legal tender. The US Government has completley ignored that and given the Federal Reserve a private corperation the power to print and distribute money.
We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?What's wrong with the DOE? I rather like their secret squirrely ways.
Heard a lot of stories on the grapevine about shit they do at some of our bases, gives me the chills to know an organization I thought was totally harmless and benign actually does some really out there shit. Might just be gribblies from tall tales from soldiers though.
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Our economy would have totally collapsed if we had stuck with the gold standard. And there really is no going back to it now in the first place.
Look dude, I love the founding fathers, but nobody can write a document and expect it to stay 100 percent relevant centuries down the line. There's lots of things in the constitution that aren't as relevant today, or have some serious conflicts with things that hadn't even existed yet at the time that it was written.
edited 31st Mar '11 11:04:02 AM by Barkey
Oh, and tnu, you're wrong about the gold and silver thing.
No you are latching on to the word "regulate" as if it means to restrict or prohibit. at the time that the interstate commerce clause was ratified regulated meant "to make regular" so the federal government has no authority to redstrict commerce only to make it regular.
We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?I'm in agreement there I understand the commerce clause in that respect but while the federal government is the only one who has the power to coin money it can not delegate that power to another organization.
edited 31st Mar '11 12:38:17 PM by tnu1138
We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?I think he's considering the Federal Reserve not part of the federal government. He's saying the Federal Reserve is bad because it's unconstitutional, because only the federal government has the power to mint currency.
How that makes any damn sense I couldn't tell you, but I think that's what he's getting at.
edited 31st Mar '11 12:06:32 PM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.This is my point. The Federal Reserve is about as legitimate to the government as Fed Ex.
edited 31st Mar '11 12:33:13 PM by tnu1138
We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?Ah yes the year everyting went to hell. The problem is and correct me if i'm wrong as I hold great respect for you Major Tom. is that it violates the idea of non-delegation of powers. The Federal Reserve as far as i'm aware isn't officially a part of any branches.
edited 31st Mar '11 12:34:26 PM by tnu1138
We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?

tnu: just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it's illegal. Not everyone agrees with your interpretation of the Constitution. If it was blatantly illegal, then it would be struck down by the Supreme Court. That's why they exist.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.