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EricDVH Since: Jan, 2001
#426: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:19:59 AM

It would just make politics more national, more in tune with the entire political spectrum's concerns, voting more popular, and basically eliminate pork. The breadbasket would be much better off too, since instead of being subsidized to grow trash crops like rape, corn, and soy, they would be growing things people actually want to buy (unless the entire idea of protecting American farmers from 3rd-world competition was dropped, which I admit is quite possible.)

I don't think campaigning would really be more expensive, since things would realign around parties, the national parties would handle most of the evangelism, and individual candidates would focus their (largely internecine) efforts on areas they knew were party strongholds.

Eric,

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#427: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:24:21 AM

Crops like rape? Rape is a crop?

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#428: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:24:37 AM

Corn and soy aren't trash crops. (Well maybe they are in the snobby Eurotrash states.)

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#429: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:29:04 AM

Corn as a substitute for sugar is.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#430: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:39:12 AM

[up][up]It is when you grow it to the point of wrecking your agricultural system.

Seriously, I would consider voting for any candidate who promised farm subsidy reform, because our current system is a disaster.

EricDVH Since: Jan, 2001
#431: Apr 3rd 2011 at 10:18:15 AM

Corn is a trash crop substituting for sugar, and substituting for flour, and substituting for superior oils and fats. Rape is also a trash crop used to add needless fat to foods. And soy? Soy? Honestly Tom, can you name ANY food that consumers knowingly choose because it has soy (or soy lecithin, or soybean oil, or soybean meal…) in it? What all of these trash crops have in common is that they're fillers, used in place of better ingredients to make the perverse laboratory-spawned junkfood “recipes” possible, instead of real food made from minimally processed high quality ingredients. It's not even financially rewarding! Junkfood is made because it's the cheapest way to use trash crops, trash crops are subsidized because it's the only way to make junkfood cheap, the whole thing would fall apart with one swift kick.

And don't try to tell me that garbage is good for animal feed, firstly because that isn't what most of it is used for, secondly because we should be grazing far more of our livestock.

Eric,

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#432: Apr 3rd 2011 at 10:23:19 AM

Soy milk is considered pretty hard-core liberal!

WHOA. Hold on. Are you serious? You want more grazing? That's the most unenvironmentalistic position yet! Cutting down acres of forest just so we have more room for cows to fart. Bad idea.

But Cow And Chicken aren't running in 2012 so maybe we can get back on topic.

edited 3rd Apr '11 10:24:49 AM by TheyCallMeTomu

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#433: Apr 3rd 2011 at 10:43:04 AM

I thought soy was the most liberal, snobbish, elitist left-wing thing since weed?

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
EricDVH Since: Jan, 2001
#435: Apr 3rd 2011 at 10:59:46 AM

Done correctly, grazing is far better for the environment than feed, and (as a pesticidal/herbicidal/fertilizing mechanism) is even an improvement over abandoning animals. They can also be used to control wildfires. This would work even better if we switched livestock back to indigenous breeds, like bison and caribou.

It's all about making a system where all the pieces work together, instead of randomly mashing stuff together and artificially trying to compensate for the inevitable side effects.

Eric,

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#436: Apr 3rd 2011 at 11:11:47 AM

Bison and Caribou also are not running in 2012, so better take it to another thread.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#437: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:25:46 PM

Corn is a trash crop substituting for sugar, and substituting for flour, and substituting for superior oils and fats. Rape is also a trash crop used to add needless fat to foods. And soy? Soy? Honestly Tom, can you name ANY food that consumers knowingly choose because it has soy (or soy lecithin, or soybean oil, or soybean meal…) in it? What all of these trash crops have in common is that they're fillers, used in place of better ingredients to make the perverse laboratory-spawned junkfood “recipes” possible, instead of real food made from minimally processed high quality ingredients. It's not even financially rewarding! Junkfood is made because it's the cheapest way to use trash crops, trash crops are subsidized because it's the only way to make junkfood cheap, the whole thing would fall apart with one swift kick.

Soybeans are used in tofu, one of the healthiest foods on the planet. (and it's popular too even in America)

Corn is used for a lot of things for healthy foods. Tortillas are made from corn in both forms cornmeal and corn flour. Tortillas themselves aren't junk food. Corn flour is a viable substitute for wheat flour owing to a variety of reasons including allergy risk, economics, and taste.

Then you have the fact in any given year much of the corn crop is harvested simply to be eaten as is. The grower's associations make more money selling them to supermarkets and canneries for fresh produce than selling them to Kellogg's. (Most of the companies that use corn syrup have either contracted fields or are vertically integrated. The majority of corn crops are not owned by big companies.)

Corn on its own is one of the few grains/vegetables that is extremely healthy for you right off the stalk yet at the same time doesn't have any of the taste stigmas against it like spinach or other leafy greens.

Do you really not know what crops are grown and used for?

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#438: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:27:10 PM

Citation Needed. My understanding was that corn is actually pretty unhealthy, a distinctly American activity, and doesn't digest well for a lot of people.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#439: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:52:21 PM

Raw corn straight off the cob is extremely healthy for you loaded in fiber. Doesn't even need cooked.

The benefits of corn in culinary arts dates back over 1000 years. (It is after all the crop the Inca, Maya and Aztecs harvested before the Spaniards slaughtered them)

Add in the fact that with irrigation it can grow anywhere unlike rice, melons and a lot of sensitive shit like fruits.

tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#440: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:53:44 PM

What does this have to do with the 2012 elections again?

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#441: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:55:04 PM

Let's just lock this thread, it appears to be suffering from persistent derailment syndrome.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#442: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:05:02 PM

There wasn't much to talk about anyway. Not with the candidate list being unknown. Let's revisit this after the summer or something...

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#443: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:07:44 PM

After Christmas when there are actual candidates.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#444: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:08:51 PM

That'll be my Christmas President. Seeing who Obama gets to face off against.

<Santa clause> HO HO ROMNEY/PAWLENTY.

Or something.

tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#445: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:09:26 PM

SANTA FOR PRESIDENT!

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#446: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:10:52 PM

You do realize Santa is a commie bastard, right? He gives gifts to the poor! Actually, I guess in practice, he's a fascist-it's the rich people who get the best gifts from "Santa," despite promising the world if you're "good this year."

tnu1138 Dracula Since: Apr, 2009
Dracula
#447: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:11:56 PM

The differences Santa actually is magic and can give the good people of the world all they need polliticians are not.

We must survive, all of us. The blood of a human for me, a cooked bird for you. Where is the difference?
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#448: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:12:33 PM

Well, let's just end it there to not derail further ;P

CommandoDude Since: Jun, 2010
#449: Apr 3rd 2011 at 2:03:32 PM

Tom. Do you really not know what High fructose corn syrup is made from? An additive which has replaced actual sugar in an untold amount of foods?

Do you know how seriously unhealthy that stuff is?

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#450: Apr 3rd 2011 at 2:06:10 PM

No! No more derails. Start a thread about THE VALUE OF CORN if you want, but this is the 2012 presidential election thread.


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