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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#51: Jul 24th 2011 at 6:43:34 AM

I really would prefer a media example.

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#52: Jul 24th 2011 at 8:45:16 AM

I think the Alt Lighter is the go now. Should we wait some more?

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#53: Jul 24th 2011 at 8:52:50 AM

We can't use it. We didn't pay for it or ask the artist's permission.

That's the problem with the non-media examples. They are complete works in and of themselves and thus don't fall under fair use.

edited 24th Jul '11 8:57:16 AM by shimaspawn

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#54: Jul 24th 2011 at 9:10:17 AM

For some reason, I don't care about it as much as I should.

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#55: Jul 24th 2011 at 3:54:52 PM

Wait, I thought paintings and shit counted as media?

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#56: Jul 24th 2011 at 3:58:39 PM

^They do. A better way to put it might be "the image is the entirety of the work."

Where's it from?

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#57: Jul 24th 2011 at 5:13:14 PM

If the work is on an artist's webpage somewhere, like on a Deviant ART page or an actual works site, then they're generally under copyright and we'd have to get permission to use them. If they're floating around the aether, then I'd say we're good to go. I'm no expert on fair use, though, so don't take that for law.

edited 24th Jul '11 5:13:44 PM by Willbyr

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#58: Jul 25th 2011 at 7:11:41 AM

So we took the alt light pic from...where? Should we even care?

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#59: Jul 25th 2011 at 7:28:11 AM

It's from a photoshop tutorial site, but I can't manage to get a direct link to that tutorial.

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#60: Jul 26th 2011 at 5:49:55 AM

It's Alt Light alright.

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#61: Jul 26th 2011 at 6:06:41 AM

If it's from an educational resource, does that make it fair use?

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#62: Jul 26th 2011 at 7:52:27 AM

In practice it makes it more likely for us to get our asses sued. People who make educational stuff like that professionally tend to get a bee up their bonnet if you take it without asking.

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#63: Jul 26th 2011 at 8:13:30 AM

[up] Shouldn't we have focused on that issue before letting it get on the crowner, rather than now that it's winning?

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#64: Jul 26th 2011 at 8:25:58 AM

I wasn't reading this thread before it was winning and no one else seems to think about it when they throw in random GIS images.

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#65: Jul 26th 2011 at 9:47:04 AM

[up] Well then, that's something that should be changed about image pickin so as to prevent this kind of thing in the future. Should a new thread be made about it?

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#66: Jul 26th 2011 at 9:27:57 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, that's the impression I got as well.

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#67: Jul 29th 2011 at 10:27:39 AM

Here's an alternative which I made myself: a copyright-free version of the favored lighter pic.

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#68: Jul 29th 2011 at 11:02:56 AM

[up] It's still based on the copyrighted image though. Whatever the legalities are about that approach, it strikes me as similar to plagiarism from a moral perspective.

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#69: Jul 29th 2011 at 11:11:21 AM

There's two ways to get around this: either we drop it and go with the 2nd place option in the crowner, or someone draws up something completely original that does the same thing as the lighter pic but without the same visual cues. Personally, I'm in favor of the former.

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#70: Jul 29th 2011 at 11:52:21 AM

[up][up][up] No. Just... No.

edited 29th Jul '11 11:52:36 AM by dRoy

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#71: Jul 30th 2011 at 10:38:18 AM

Hold on, IS this copyrighted?

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#72: Jul 30th 2011 at 10:59:38 AM

It's a safe assumption that most things are under some form of copyright.

I was the one who spotted the alternate lighter, but from where, I forget.

edited 30th Jul '11 11:07:34 AM by Stratadrake

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#73: Jul 30th 2011 at 11:02:46 AM

Okay, if this is, do we know who's the creator?

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#74: Jul 30th 2011 at 11:11:01 AM

Searching....

The tutorial video is quite telling, actually — both lighter and flame are images found separately from the Internet.

edited 30th Jul '11 11:16:07 AM by Stratadrake

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#75: Jul 30th 2011 at 11:47:32 PM

Can't we just ask him/her, then?

edited 30th Jul '11 11:47:51 PM by dRoy

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19th Jul '11 3:59:05 AM

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