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PDown It's easy, mmkay? Since: Jan, 2012
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#201: Apr 2nd 2011 at 7:21:27 PM

Ssh, no arguing with Eddie.

At first I didn't realize I needed all this stuff...
nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#202: Apr 2nd 2011 at 7:26:26 PM

Why are people going on so much about this? It works in the forums like so, and most every where else was just people people being too lazy to use the backspace key.

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#203: Apr 2nd 2011 at 7:31:36 PM

[up]No, it was not. Look around in this thread. There have quite a few examples of legitimate uses in the wiki.

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#205: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:35:05 AM

Ah yes clearly the dozen at most legitimate uses found so far redeem the hundreds of misuse.

Seriously. The only use so far we've found where another markup can't be used is for quotes. And we've had what? 2 of those?

INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#206: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:38:37 AM

^That. Really, quotes are the only legitimate, unreplaceable use of strikethrough in the wiki and there weren't many.

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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
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#207: Apr 3rd 2011 at 8:12:11 AM

2) This change strikes a major blow against conciseness, as the same humorous points will have to now be explained in a lengthier fashion (unless the strikethrough is substituted with an equivalent such as gray-out or the ellipses, which no one favors—including you).
I think the point is that not making the humorous points is more concise still. If you just give the example and get out without trying to be funny the lack of strikethrough isn't a problem.

Though I think in that case the Home Page should say "encyclopedia" rather than "catalogue."

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#208: Apr 3rd 2011 at 8:41:29 AM

Strike-through is not coming back on the wiki. Neither is big text. Or the blink tag.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#209: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:07:12 AM

Ah yes clearly the dozen at most legitimate uses found so far redeem the hundreds of misuse.

Clearly you missed where I said out of ~60 uses, only 2 were misuses of the type you describe.

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#210: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:09:59 AM

What's a blink tag and when did we have it?

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#211: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:31:28 AM

ITT: Many tropers prove they can't see the forest for the trees meaning

...and Fast Eddie, in turn, proves that he has trouble seeing the trees for the forest. meaning sad

On a side note, [up] this. What was a blink tag? meaning

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KylerThatch literary masochist Since: Jan, 2001
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#212: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:48:57 AM

Presumably the blink markup would make the text flash on the screen like the hazard lights on a car. If you've been around the internet long enough, you may remember that there used to be such a thing as a <blink> tag in HTML. There's a reason that it was soon phased out.

/offtopic

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#213: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:51:34 AM

The blink tag is a standard element of HTML that causes the contained text to blink off and on. It is among the standard elements of HTML we don't support in the markup. There are a whole lot of such unsupported tags.

A balance has to be struck between what tags are made available and the amount of effort it takes to repair just plain poor formatting decisions made by editors.

Admin (me, Janitor) will choose formatting tags very conservatively. Since the wiki stays far away from academic/formal style, we'll need to be careful not to let it slip over into My Space style.

edited 3rd Apr '11 11:35:55 AM by FastEddie

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#214: Apr 3rd 2011 at 9:59:39 AM

Is it possible that "we are not wikipedia"ECT... may be attracting the wrong people? And I mean that seriously

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#215: Apr 3rd 2011 at 10:10:58 AM

[up][up] Yeah, I got it. I'm not a super computer geek (although a lot of people I know treat me like one, including some people who work as programmers for a living). tongue

My main issue isn't with the strikeout being removed (which doesn't bother me terribly), it's how you handled removing it (which, from my view, ends up creating more work than actually fixing the problem via other methods).

[up] That's (maybe) more of a reflection of the outside perception of TV Tropes, which (as I've seen it) doesn't really align with our actual mission. That's a topic for another thread though.

edited 3rd Apr '11 10:18:19 AM by TotemicHero

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nuclearneo577 from My computer. Since: Dec, 2009
#216: Apr 3rd 2011 at 11:21:16 AM

Wait, we used to have blinking text? That must have sucked.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#217: Apr 3rd 2011 at 11:37:40 AM

[up][up] Nope. There could have been this much posting back and forth for weeks resulting in exactly the same action. Sometimes dictator fiat is the best way to get shit done.

edited 3rd Apr '11 11:38:45 AM by FastEddie

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HersheleOstropoler You gotta get yourself some marble columns from BK.NY.US Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Less than three
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#218: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:00:09 PM

Is it possible that "we are not wikipedia"ECT... may be attracting the wrong people? And I mean that seriously
I didn't realize there was doubt on that point. The problem is that it's only true as far as register and subject matter go, not really tone or voice so much. But this isn't really thoroughly explained anywhere.

[up]I think what Totemic Hero meant is that by suddenly coding it in, there are a lot of holes that need to be fixed (with ^H, for example, when that would make it funny).

edited 3rd Apr '11 12:00:42 PM by HersheleOstropoler

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#219: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:17:31 PM

↑↑Why there couldn't be what, two weeks of discussion until people who didn't have the power to remove the markup proposed or decided to go on their own curating, correcting and warning other tropers on the use of the thing? We have already the Tips For Editing, the natter-fy buttons, all of those good things; I just don't see how would they not have been usable to help fix the issue.

And OH GODS you guys made me remember blink... Thank god it was never a standard tag.

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#220: Apr 3rd 2011 at 12:49:13 PM

Glad to see it back on the Fora. I was it in a post and was like WTF did I enter a time loop is this another April fools joke. (Which was annoying as hell btw please never do that again.)

It is going to be weird for those things where the actually given text was actually Striked through. Especially given the amount of alternative works we catalog which may not follow professionalism rules do to our no such thing as notability.

But it is what it is, I suppose. we can only hope this is the last major change, or at least well be given far warning in the future.

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#221: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:21:31 PM

Could someone please point me to an example of misuse? Surely you must be able to give at least one if there are so many. Personally, I've never seen one that isn't either a joke or legitimate.

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#222: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:24:37 PM

Well, now there are none. But much as I see the utility of strikethrough for jokes, I'm not sure what "legitimate" uses you have in mind. The way to delete something is to delete it.

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#223: Apr 3rd 2011 at 1:47:53 PM

I was thinking about Hold Your Hippogriffs, where it is actually used to explain the example. Sure it could work without it but noone seems to say it's a misuse, so I gather it's a legitimate use.

EDIT: Well, now there are none, but where were these misuses that were so common? I've yet to see any.

edited 3rd Apr '11 2:28:38 PM by ading

TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#224: Apr 3rd 2011 at 2:41:32 PM

@ Hershele: Exactly my thoughts. Now people get to hunt down all the markup, and fix it...if for no other reason, then that people will try to emulate what exists on the wiki. That's a proven fact.

I'm not specifically accusing you, Eddie, of being entirely to blame. The fact that this thread exists indicates that Wiki Magic failed to work on every level, from the most casual troper up to the Eddie who is Fast himself. I can think of half a dozen points at which this could have been averted, but it wasn't.

It's a black mark on the whole of TV Tropes as a wiki.

What we should be doing, instead of back-and-forth debate over the matter (it's over, done, kaput, finished), is pinpointing exactly where this went wrong...so that this never happens again.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#225: Apr 3rd 2011 at 3:06:21 PM

Check out the page history of Final Fantasy VI for a legit example of use of the strikethrough, which used it for Spell My Name With An S type names since the game has gotten multiple localizations.

Or Okamiden, which used it for an instance of Insistent Terminology.

I'm not going to say that these uses were essential in any way, shape, or form, but they weren't misuse, either, and in my experience they represent the vast majority of uses of the strike tag.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.

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