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inane242 Anwalt der Verdammten from A B-Movie Bildungsroman Since: Nov, 2010
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#276: Mar 27th 2011 at 3:51:55 PM

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#277: Mar 27th 2011 at 5:27:50 PM

Pep rallies were lame. Prom was fun though. A group of friends and I rocked the karaoke machine all night long. We rickrolled the shit out of things, man.

I still wish my uniform included a tie...I love ties and always have...Ties...

At least I have one now though...And a uniform skirt, a white button up shirt, and knee high socks that same color as said skirt...I still look young enough for the school girl thing to work too.

:D

I also have an outfit that functions as my school boy outfit. Or did...I need new pants and a new shirt to go with it...MY PANTS ARE UGLY AND RATTY AND THE SHIRT HAS A HUGE PAINT STAIN.

I need a teacher though...or a school nurse.

edited 27th Mar '11 5:28:37 PM by Aondeug

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LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#278: Mar 27th 2011 at 11:15:06 PM

Pep rallies? Never been to one of those.

One thing that did annoy me about me high school uniform was that there was no pants option for girls. You could wear a dress, or a blouse and skirt. In this day and age, surely we could at least have had the option of dressy pants.

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#279: Mar 27th 2011 at 11:16:58 PM

Were I in control of such matters both sexes would have the freedom to adopt the uniform of the other gender. You would have to abide to all the anal rules I made about said uniforms though.

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#280: Mar 27th 2011 at 11:43:06 PM

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
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#281: Mar 27th 2011 at 11:48:20 PM

But it's so appealing sounding!

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DarkDecapodian The Prodigal Returns from the fold Since: Apr, 2009
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#282: Mar 28th 2011 at 12:29:09 AM

Really, high school is where you should be exploring who you are as a person, because once you're out, there's really no time for that.

Seems kinda stupid to form an identity, then have to give it up right when you can put it to good use.

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#283: Mar 28th 2011 at 12:49:37 AM

[up] Not so much give it up, it's just that because I never formed a social identity, I'm still not able to feel comfortable in any social scene, even though I've been out of high school for years.

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#284: Mar 28th 2011 at 12:53:13 AM

Forcing guys to keep their hair short is bad and the people who do it should feel bad.

</grew up with a dad who has always had long hair>

edited 28th Mar '11 12:53:30 AM by annebeeche

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DarkDecapodian The Prodigal Returns from the fold Since: Apr, 2009
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#285: Mar 28th 2011 at 1:11:59 AM

[up][up] In general, I mean. You had your school and that *ahem* 'family' of yours to keep you from being a teenager. For those who've had the freedom to experiment, come adulthood and there's time constraints and the constant pressure to grow up and be normal, whatever they mean. And if high school frowns on difference, the workplace does so even more, both inside and, frequently, outside the office.

edited 28th Mar '11 1:14:13 AM by DarkDecapodian

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#286: Mar 28th 2011 at 1:44:21 AM

[up] However, I've noticed that among the people I've met, those who had did crazy stuff in high school wound up being a bit more well-rounded as adults, whereas teens who were seriously restricted tend to go a bit apenuts when they hit their mid 20s. It's sort of a "I need to do all this stuff while I'm still young enough to enjoy it" mentality.

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elemcee Since: Dec, 2009
#287: Mar 28th 2011 at 6:02:00 AM

Had to wear one from the age of about four to the age of about sixteen (stopped just before, actually, since my birthday is in the summer holidays). It was black and red, with a striped tie in both primary and secondary school, and a blazer and polo shirts (for the upper years) in secondary school, too. Primary school had summer dresses for the girls, too. We weren't allowed to wear make-up, heels or have our hair stand out in any way, and jewellery was limited to stud earrings. Naturally, these rules were pushed as far as they would go and often disregarded, completely.

We were also expected to wear the entire uniform home so it was clear what school we came from. What this was supposed to do was install a sense of pride so that we would behave. Of course, we shared bus stops and whatnot with students from other schools with their own uniforms, so all this did was create a sort of rivalry. It probably didn't help our terrible reputation, either.

I still have some of my school skirts in my wardrobe. Without the rest of the wardrobe, they're just non-descript black skirts and those are pretty useful.

Most kids were pleased to get to the sixth form, which generally doesn't require a uniform (although some do, depending on the school/college).

ArgeusthePaladin from Byzantine. Since: May, 2010
#288: Mar 28th 2011 at 6:15:03 AM

To be fair, uniforms signifies one thing that at least us Asians seem to worship - a sense of discipline. Wearing an uniform means that you've given up part of your "self" to adhere to a common code of discipline, which is held in very high esteem where I came from.

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#289: Mar 28th 2011 at 6:15:09 AM

We were also expected to wear the entire uniform home so it was clear what school we came from. What this was supposed to do was install a sense of pride so that we would behave.

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Kaliayev from Dorset Since: Apr, 2010
#290: Mar 28th 2011 at 6:36:05 AM

I'm of two minds on school uniforms.

On the one hand, uniforms do prevent what I like to term the "fashion arms race" between students. At a previous school I worked at, a rather expensive private school, this reached ridiculous and potentially financially crippling levels. In the end, the Student Council ended up demanding a uniform, because the scholarship students and children of staff were being outpriced and it was causing unnecessary tension. If everyone is dressed the same, there isn't going to be namecalling, the richer kids picking on the poorer ones (or vice-versa) and people made fun of for odd fashion styles.

They also tend to make the students easy to keep track of, on day trips and so on. And look smart.

On the other hand...uniforms tend to be mandatory, and there tend to be, uh, cozy relationships between providers and school staff or PTA members. Or so I've heard. Uniform prices do seem to go up year on year above the rate of inflation too...

There is a freedom of expression thing as well. I think you can mandate certain sensible guidelines on dress without having to demand uniformity. And to be honest, I can remember when I was at school I wasn't entirely comfortable in a uniform myself. While it obviously didn't affect me terribly, if I had been in my own clothes I would have been more comfortable and maybe more focused on learning than why my jumper was so damn itchy.

Also, some uniforms are just plain ugly. Not to mention cheap looking.

FuschlatzOReilly Since: Dec, 1969
#291: Mar 28th 2011 at 2:45:35 PM

We were also expected to wear the entire uniform home so it was clear what school we came from. What this was supposed to do was install a sense of pride so that we would behave.
Sadly, my school and my sisters' school also do this and I'd be surprised if it isn't the same at every government-run school in all of New South Wales.

At least Year 12 students get uniforms that are (usually) kinda cool...

edited 28th Mar '11 2:47:43 PM by FuschlatzOReilly

DonQuigleone Since: Jan, 2001
#292: Mar 28th 2011 at 3:00:41 PM

I quite liked my uniform. I don't think Uniforms should be too restrictive, you should have a little leeway with hair and whatnot.

Some of the girl's wish they had access to trousers, and many in my school said the same. Finally they brought in a choice of trousers and skirts for girls. For about a week maybe 2 or 3 girls wore them, then the trousers all dissapeared and the issue was never really mentioned again.

I guess the girl's weren't really that fussed about wearing them after all.

I think Uniforms, to an extent, reduce cliqueishness. It's impossible to judge at first sight, so you have to give people a bit more of a chance. People still formed cliques, but they weren't as hard and fast, and there was a lot of people that talked to pretty much everyone, like me, impressive considering I was the biggest nerd in the year. I was a bit of a clown too though :P

pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#293: Mar 28th 2011 at 3:39:33 PM

I bloody hated my school uniform.

Mind you, my uniform these days seems to be band t-shirt + jeans...

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MrSchade Since: Dec, 1969
#294: Mar 29th 2011 at 3:22:35 AM

One year the school I was going to introduced uniforms. I thought it was bullshit. Luckily my parents agreed it was bullshit, so I only had to put up with it for a year before they got me a waver so I didn't have to wear uniforms.

Personally I see them as something unspeakably horrible, in part because I place individuality above most other things. As far as work uniforms go, if you'll be dealing with customers, you should have something on that lets customers know you work there. If you're not working in direct contact with customers then I see zero need for uniforms.

pagad Sneering Imperialist from perfidious Albion Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#295: Mar 29th 2011 at 3:51:46 AM

[up] Wouldn't that be a bit weird, being the only person out of uniform? Or were those waivers common?

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elemcee Since: Dec, 2009
#296: Mar 29th 2011 at 4:21:26 AM

I couldn't imagine my parents thinking that. Uniforms are just sort of a given here.

MrSchade Since: Dec, 1969
#297: Mar 29th 2011 at 5:22:57 PM

[up][up] The waivers weren't common, I think I was one of about 2 or 3 that had one. Wasn't weird for me though, mattered a whole lot more that I was comfortable and happier.

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#298: Mar 29th 2011 at 5:40:29 PM

When I was in school, I wanted a uniform. The Catholic schools (which are also public in Canada, long story) had basic polos-n-slacks uniforms (even for girls, skirts were phased out when I was in grade 9 or 10). I went to a proper public school, which just had a dress code that was more or less upheld, but everything within the code was fair game. On a related note, I got away with some very cleavagey shirts because it's hard to judge what's excessive, and no one wanted to try to enforce a "no cleavage" rule. No skirts above the tips of the fingers was easy, and no spaghetti straps was easy but very stupid, really.

Really, I don't see "self-expression" as a good reason to not have them. Monetary concerns, e.g. families that can't afford the uniform, are much better.

Jace Atypical masculinity. from the Great White North Since: Oct, 2010
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#299: Mar 29th 2011 at 6:17:27 PM

^ If you can't self-express without clothes, there's a problem.

I had uniforms from 8-13 when I lived overseas. It was fine. In primary school girls had dresses, in secondary everyone wore shirts, ties and then skirts or pants. Girls could wear pants if they wanted.

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BlackHumor Since: Jan, 2001
#300: Mar 30th 2011 at 2:19:11 PM

If you can't self-express without clothes, that's a problem.

If you can't self-express without talking, that's a problem.

If you can't self-express without writing, that's a problem.


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