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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#2101: Sep 20th 2024 at 10:26:18 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] TBF, these games take place during operations with Orks and Tyranids so you don’t really have the chance to see the Imperium’s genocidal policies towards non-hostile xenos.

Orks and Tyranids are those kinds of aliens you don’t really feel bad for shooting en-masse. Orks are even into it.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#2102: Sep 20th 2024 at 10:46:44 AM

Plus the Ultramarines are the least dysfunctional chapters with no major flaws.

Unlike the berserker brutality and crippling genetic mutations of the Space Wolves or Blood Angel's, or the secrecy and distrust of the Dark Angels.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#2103: Sep 20th 2024 at 11:25:16 AM

It helps even Leandros, the guy who represents the lawful stupid aspect of the Ultramarines has become more experienced and is a Chaplain because Calgar recognized his accusation of Titus came from the right place, and Leandros is willing to give Titus his trust again, even with his suspicion still there.

Like I said, it was oddly great to see him again. I'm amazed the game pulled it off.

I do think if we do see other chapters, then we're going to see the darker side of the Imperium again since the focus on the tyranids and this being a hive world doesn't really give it a chance to do much world building on that aspect, we see more of the Ultramarine's noble champions of humanity aspect of their faction.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#2104: Sep 20th 2024 at 8:12:00 PM

They should make a game follow the life of a space marine, from recruitment to his death in action. Or better yet, make a Dante's game where the player really want to die by the end of the story.

E.T technically is a Isekai movie
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#2105: Sep 20th 2024 at 9:40:33 PM

Space marine game from recruitement till death but plot twist you're one of the many who die in surgery.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#2106: Sep 20th 2024 at 9:42:17 PM

Space Marine sim in which you play an apothecary trying to turn recruits into Astartes.

Disgusted, but not surprised
VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#2107: Sep 20th 2024 at 10:01:01 PM

Space Marine sim where you play a Salamander teaching his apprentice right from his induction.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#2108: Sep 20th 2024 at 10:02:27 PM

Space Marine game where you're a Blood Raven trying to "acquire" "Gifts" from other Chapters.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#2109: Sep 20th 2024 at 10:08:32 PM

A Space Marine rpg would be interesting.

Could give you options like whether you want to be an Apothecary, a Techmarine, a Psyker.

There's a lot of options there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VutherA Since: Jul, 2009
#2110: Sep 20th 2024 at 10:17:40 PM

I don't know how many motorcycle Vehicular Combat games there are (I'm under the belief that it's not many), but that obviously would be the White Scars' game.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#2111: Sep 20th 2024 at 10:21:02 PM

I mean one can said fire warrior didnt really show the bad aspect of tau culture(with the xception that it is reveal okais father isnt that inspiring and was more a douchebag tau propaganda elevate into war hero). Same here

Also as for titus...I will said leandros does have a point, titus weird ass resistance of chaos IS strange as hell, chararter usually are thant resistance and isnt exactly a thing in the setting.

"It's also made clear that Roboute himself wasn't happy about being the one to enforce the Emperor's judgement. "

More than that, Roboute cannot shake the feeling the emperor use him specifically to look as a example of what the emperor want lorgar to be and he was used for it.

Monarcha is one of the reason Lorgar pull calth, a sort of payback.

Let said there is a good reason one of the mairne titus have with you really hate the traitors.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#2112: Sep 21st 2024 at 12:14:04 AM

My pet theory on how Titus resisted Chaos is that he is blessed by the Emperor since the meter mechanic from the first game hinted at that.

Or might even be a piece of him reincarnated. Or he’s just that devoted and faithful to the Imperium and Emperor, having twice refused deals with traitors and centuries of torture.

The devs have been vague on who exactly told Titus to rise at the end, it might have been Calgar or the Emperor.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
dArtagnanMusic Since: Oct, 2022
#2113: Sep 24th 2024 at 9:41:23 AM


New Bricky video o nthe game, where he clarifies his thoughts and critiques of the first (for example, his "why is calgar here?" was meant not as a general "why did he arrive?" when the answer was "you spend an entire mission calling for him", but more as a "why is that due getting a cool slow-mo introduction shot when he's only here for an hour of the campaign"
Basically he feels like there's a lot of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot rather than being a more geneirc "space marine shoot bad guys and is awesome"

Edited by dArtagnanMusic on Sep 24th 2024 at 9:47:04 AM

Azorius24 Knight of Solace from the bonnie, bonnie banks o' Loch Lomond (Five Long Years) Relationship Status: love is a deadly lazer
Knight of Solace
#2114: Sep 24th 2024 at 10:25:38 AM

[up] That last point is a fair sentiment. I was a little bit exasperated that they pulled out Drogan's Power Source to be the MacGuffin again, even if it is completely in character for the Mechanicus to keep trying the same thing despite disastrous results 'cos Just Think of the Potential!

Edited by Azorius24 on Sep 24th 2024 at 6:25:52 PM

"The only thing which is certain, is that something will happen".
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#2115: Sep 24th 2024 at 12:36:45 PM

Anybody else think it's a huge missed opportunity to have the Necrons as an enemy faction in the game, considering the reveal that Demerium is a tomb world?

Azorius24 Knight of Solace from the bonnie, bonnie banks o' Loch Lomond (Five Long Years) Relationship Status: love is a deadly lazer
Knight of Solace
#2116: Sep 24th 2024 at 1:32:22 PM

[up] I was fully expecting the Necrons to start waking up, resulting in a Mêlée à Trois with the Ultramarines and Thousand Sons. Especially as some of the audio logs alluded to it as well. Indeed, I thought it was going to be the Unforeseen Consequences of Leuze's tinkering.

Edited by Azorius24 on Sep 24th 2024 at 9:33:47 AM

"The only thing which is certain, is that something will happen".
dArtagnanMusic Since: Oct, 2022
#2117: Sep 24th 2024 at 2:59:06 PM

Still gonna have to disagree with bricky here, when he says he think Space Marine 2 adapted the "Imperium is comprised of religious zealots with lobotomized slaves and serfs under a totalitarian dictatorship that outlaws AI so they just put the brains of people they disagree with there instead. And then also by the way everything is a cathedral while also being a church while also having a million candles and they're still using parchment paper with the worst Cable Management you've ever seen"
Maybe it's just me having issues with Space Marine in general, but i didn't get that many insane zealotry vibes from this game. The Marines are more or less straight-forwards heroes who express concern for the soliders they're sent to help, servitors and cherubs are never really drawn attention to, and the enemies you fight are ontologically evil

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#2118: Sep 24th 2024 at 5:43:21 PM

Most Space Marine chapters aren't religious zealots because they believe the Emperor wasn't a god, they just seem zealous because they are so devote to their tasks in an alien way, detached from how normal humans act. Also all the candles help them fight Chaos.

E.T technically is a Isekai movie
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#2119: Sep 24th 2024 at 5:45:47 PM

I recall there is a thing where it's stated most Space Marines don't actually view the Emeperor as a God but in a more detached leader view.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#2120: Sep 24th 2024 at 5:50:50 PM

It's one thing 40k is always inconsistent about.

They'll say Marines don't see the Emperor as a god, but in practice it's a Distinction Without a Difference because they fundamentally act the same way, down to employing religious terms for their own behavior and basically having religious worship.

Like, they don't use the g-word for him, but in practice they behave basically as if he was. The only ones who really avoid this are the Primarchs and the Custodians.

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 24th 2024 at 8:52:57 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#2121: Sep 24th 2024 at 7:05:07 PM

I'd say that it includes it, but doesn't draw attention to it. Like the scene I mentioned a while back about the Astropath temple. I still think they should make a game staring a non-imperial faction that let's us see the Imperium's cruelty front and center.

BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#2122: Sep 24th 2024 at 7:12:58 PM

I think Rogue Trader show it pretty well. The Rogue Trader religious fanatic dialogue options usually are needlessly cruel and there are many instant showing how the average Imperium citizen got treated when helping them would bother the ruling class. Mutants got put in cages to entertain the masses, brutal crackdown of potential cultist activity, ....

E.T technically is a Isekai movie
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#2123: Sep 24th 2024 at 7:22:22 PM

The Astartes and the Ecclesiarchy have always had an uneasy arrangement. Each chapter venerates the Emperor in their own way that isn't the same as the wider Imperial Cult's teachings. The two organizations have mostly agreed to disagree and stay out of each other's business. While the occasional Cult fanatic does try to denounce the Astartes as heretics...pissing off a bunch of supersoldiers goes about as well for them as you'd expect.

That said, there are a few chapters whose creed is closer to the Cult's, such as the Fire Angels, an Ultramarine successor chapter. This chapter unsurprisingly has closer ties to the Ecclesiarchy. They get along better with the Sisters of Battle than most other Astartes for this reason.

Disgusted, but not surprised
ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#2124: Sep 24th 2024 at 8:35:06 PM

I always figure the Sisters of Battle got along with the Fire Angels more because of the "Fire" part than the "Angel" part.

It's why Sororitas and Salamanders hang out all the time, after all.

You are not alone.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#2125: Sep 24th 2024 at 8:53:15 PM

The Black Templars also are notable for seeing the Emperor as God.

But in the whole Astartes and Emperor relationship, there was an episode of the tithes where Space Marines protest a direct order to commit exterminatus on a planet from a Custodes who speak with the Emperor’s authority, on the grounds that the Marines have a vow to protect the planet, but are eventually forced to relent and obey the Custodes.

I’m still surprised the Marines were even able to protest against a Custodes in order to protect a planet. Yeah I get that Marines are indoctrinated but still have free will to an extent but this is still pretty notable.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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