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NolanJBurke Recluse extraordinare. Since: Dec, 1969
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#51: Mar 21st 2011 at 9:10:18 AM

Either way, I'm all against the merge idea; even thinking about the massive, rambling lists of completely mismatched examples that would result makes me nauseous. Renaming Nightmare Fuel to something else (like, as suggested, Unintentionally Scary or whatever), and maybe clarifying their definitons a little, would mean the changes would come slowly, but they'd come sure enough, and people would know what needs to be fixed and how. We can't be overly forceful about such changes.

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stinker Since: Dec, 1969
#52: Mar 21st 2011 at 9:19:58 AM

I think if we have to rename one, its Nightmare Fule, NOT High Octane Nightmare Fuel.Although if we rename NF, we may be able to shorten the name of HONF

NateTheGreat Since: Jan, 2001
#53: Mar 21st 2011 at 9:41:47 AM

Either "X Nightmare Fuel" and "Y Nightmare Fuel" or "Nightmare Fuel" and "Something else that doesn't use the words nightmare or fuel".

Hey, does anyone else hear an echo?

I do accept that "the creators intended this to be scary" and "something went wrong, and this ended up as being scary" are two different things, but the trope names need to change ASAP.

Nithael (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54: Mar 21st 2011 at 9:47:06 AM

We shouldn't remove either. Nightmare Fuel is a trope, or rather an Audience Reaction. Something that wasn't supposed to be scary, but is anyway. It has a legitimate place on TV Tropes, as much a every other Audience Reactions, so we shouldn't delete it or merge it with something else.

High Octane Nightmare Fuel is not really a trope, because it's just "that was scary" the same way Crowning Moment Of Funny is just "that was funny". But if we remove it, I'm afraid it will only increase the misuse of Nightmare Fuel, unless we also rename Nightmare Fuel into something like Unintentionally Scary and redlink Nightmare Fuel.

I think the best way would be to differentiate the two tropes as much as possible, by renaming one of them so they don't share the same title. So I support renaming High Octane Nightmare Fuel into Moment Of Scary or something, since apparently Nightmare Fuel is a preexisting term.

edited 21st Mar '11 9:48:09 AM by Nithael

GoggleFox rrrrrrrrr from Acadia, yo. Since: Jul, 2009
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#55: Mar 21st 2011 at 9:48:46 AM

*shrug* I'm mostly tossing out suggestions. I'm too busy right now to have a solid opinion on this either way. Merge, keep it the same, rename Nightmare Fuel to something more sensible, I don't mind either way.

I do think that if you're going to call Nightmare Fuel something new, you should strip away the old title. I chose "Gonna Give Kids Nightmares" because that's the most common effect of the trope in action (something intended for kids has elements that scare the crap out of them), and was for a while the definition of the trope. It still gets the intended effect across.

Sakamoto demands an explanation for this shit.
CrypticMirror Cryptic Mirror from Scotland Since: Jan, 2001
#56: Mar 21st 2011 at 10:47:54 AM

[up] Here is a good suggestion, we do nothing, lock this thread, and never speak of it again.

NolanJBurke Recluse extraordinare. Since: Dec, 1969
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#57: Mar 21st 2011 at 11:12:14 AM

[up] No, no, can't do that either. TV Tropes would be of considerably lower quality if nothing had ever been changed.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be what it is if we just made tons of drastic changes without any second thought, either. I really don't think a merge is the answer; it'll be both limiting and messy.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#58: Mar 21st 2011 at 3:58:45 PM

^^ We can't do that either. Because whenever that happens, you have the very persistent people who believe they're in the right waiting a month or two and then just restarting the argument in full force until, one day, resistance fails to return and they win.

That's how things get done on this forum 50% of the time, anyway.

fzzr_miller from California Since: Sep, 2009
#59: Mar 21st 2011 at 4:31:44 PM

the tone of this thread is starting to deteriorate, but at least both sides are giving reasons for the positions now. I think it's time for that crowner I mentioned earlier. Possible actions: Nothing, rename Nightmare Fuel, rename High Octane Nightmare Fuel. Merge the two, or cut one or both.

I... don't actually know how a crowner is started. Regardless, can we all at least agree to put it to a vote?

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SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#60: Mar 21st 2011 at 4:40:33 PM

To start a crowner, create a post with the list of options, then holler for a mod.

I've done the latter.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#61: Mar 21st 2011 at 5:51:52 PM

Honestly, I don't think Moment of Scary sounds all that good as a trope/Audience Reaction/whatever name. Definitely like the "X Nightmare Fuel and Y Nightmare Fuel" idea, and I agree that most of the misuse seems to be "people misuse Nightmare Fuel" vs. "people misuse HONF."

Here's a thought: move HONF to Nightmare Fuel and make what's currently Nightmare Fuel "Unintentional Nightmare Fuel" or another rename.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#62: Mar 21st 2011 at 6:18:11 PM

"If we're going to rename either of them, it should be Nightmare Fuel. Renaming it Accidental Nightmare Fuel will do far more for sorting things out than renaming this one." - shimaspawn

Or alternatively, just find some way to estimate whether misuse or proper use is more common, and if misuse is significantly more common, just scrap the examples altogether and start over from the very beginning.

fzzr_miller from California Since: Sep, 2009
#63: Mar 23rd 2011 at 10:33:48 AM

there's a crowner linked in the first post but it's not at the bottom of the page like your usual crowner on the forum; what gives?

Fzzr Miller because underscores are broken
Nyktos (srahc 84) eltit Since: Jan, 2001
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#64: Mar 23rd 2011 at 12:10:26 PM

@Cider: Lemon Demon started in 1986, what? Neil Cicierega was born in 1986; he most definitely did not start a band as a baby. Lemon Demon was formed in 2003, and the album which contains "Nightmare Fuel" came out in 2008. It's an MST3k reference, and not the only LD song that is.

I guess it is.
SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#65: Mar 23rd 2011 at 1:00:50 PM

Oh God please don't let the crowner stall out again.

DrStarky Okay Guy from Corn And Pig Land Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Staying up all night to get lucky
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#66: Mar 23rd 2011 at 1:44:45 PM

What is the "duplicate" option in the crowner for?

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SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#67: Mar 23rd 2011 at 1:54:28 PM

Someone added the same option twice, so it was removed.

Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#68: Mar 23rd 2011 at 3:37:49 PM

Dang it, damn Bing lied to me.That's right, I blame the search engine, not my own poor research.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#69: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:45:21 PM

I wonder if those opposed to any action have any rebuttal to the problems in the crowner? Otherwise, do they have any alternate suggestions? Perhaps a curator appointment of some kind?

dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
Brony? Moi? surely you jest!
#70: Mar 23rd 2011 at 9:50:43 PM

One thing is for sure: If we do end up renaming one of them, we are going to have to do better than "Moment of Scary"

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fzzr_miller from California Since: Sep, 2009
#71: Mar 23rd 2011 at 10:37:20 PM

[up] I agree, we can do better. I've been trying to think of better names since it became clear no one wanted more drastic action.

Fzzr Miller because underscores are broken
dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
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#72: Mar 23rd 2011 at 10:51:35 PM

I also thing HONF should not be the one to be renamed.

He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also
marheavenangel89 Captain Mimi from TEXAS!!!! Since: Mar, 2010
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#73: Mar 24th 2011 at 10:04:37 AM

Moment of Scary sounds lame (Just like taking "Crowning" out of Moment of Awesome/Heartwarming/Funny was dumb imho too). No to the rename.

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dontcallmewave Brony? Moi? surely you jest! from My home Since: Nov, 2013
Brony? Moi? surely you jest!
#75: Mar 24th 2011 at 2:18:16 PM

Why does everyone who has a differant opinion than you have to justify themselves?

He who fights bronies should see to itthat he himself does not become a brony. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, Pinkie Pie gazes Also

AlternativeTitles: NightmareFuel
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Crown Description:

Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.

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