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SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#26: Mar 20th 2011 at 3:30:20 PM

If we just merged the Nightmare Fuels, we'd fix a lot of misuse across the wiki.

I think we discussed that in an older thread - I'll see if I can find it.

edited 20th Mar '11 3:30:29 PM by SpellBlade

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#27: Mar 20th 2011 at 3:33:31 PM

Well, I stand corrected on the name quality thing. :)

Spell Blade: So we'd create a new page for the "old" definition of Nightmare Fuel in that case?

SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#28: Mar 20th 2011 at 3:40:09 PM

I think the new page would be focused on "scary stuff in media", without the unintentionally scary/targeted for kids/whatever split.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#29: Mar 20th 2011 at 5:28:56 PM

No to a straight merge, because then you'd be throwing a perfectly valid trope...or is it Audience Reaction?...out with the bathwater. Maybe Nightmare Fuel needs to be called Childhood Nightmare Fuel but that would be a separate proposal.

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#30: Mar 20th 2011 at 5:41:09 PM

I also support a rename because it's a misleading snowclone that's missuse fails to be justified by any Grandfather Clause

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Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#31: Mar 20th 2011 at 6:04:49 PM

Nightmare fuel renamed could work...but it shouldn't have to. Nightmare Fuel is a preexisting term. The wiki users just tend to misuse it.

High Octane Nightmare Fuel is not a preexisting term, and if it is to blame for misuse with another page it is only superficially related to, I think it should be changed. Intentionally scary counterpart to Nightmare Fuel is Defanged Horrors, Defanged Horrors has more to do with Nightmare Fuel than High Octane Nightmare Fuel does.

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CrypticMirror Cryptic Mirror from Scotland Since: Jan, 2001
#32: Mar 20th 2011 at 6:27:26 PM

oppose. No need for rename (or merge).

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#33: Mar 20th 2011 at 6:34:33 PM

If we're going to rename either of them, it should be Nightmare Fuel. Renaming it Accidental Nightmare Fuel will do far more for sorting things out than renaming this one.

I don't support a merge. They aren't the same thing.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#34: Mar 20th 2011 at 6:54:38 PM

Nightmare Fuel is a preexisting term. The wiki users just tend to misuse it.

Uh, what? The name is from MST 3 K, and while the context there did create the definition we use, it's certainly not used that way in the actual episode.

fzzr_miller from California Since: Sep, 2009
#35: Mar 20th 2011 at 7:19:26 PM

I'm willing to spend great swaths of time changing wicks. I'm not saying it would be easy. And to all the people with one-word "no" or "oppose" answers: PLEASE verbalize why!

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#36: Mar 20th 2011 at 7:20:40 PM

[up] Because the current name isn't causing any problems? At all?

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#37: Mar 20th 2011 at 7:29:08 PM

If you insist, since Nightmare Fuel is for kids stuff and High Octane is for the adult side, keep the High Octane name, and change Nightmare Fuel to, oh, I dunno, Gonna Give Kids Nightmares?

Because that's what it means.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#38: Mar 20th 2011 at 8:10:56 PM

[up][up]The trope is widely misused as Nightmare Fuel But More So. While there is no way short of telepathy to be 100% sure that the name is responsible, it very much sounds like Nightmare Fuel But More So, so...

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#39: Mar 20th 2011 at 8:19:51 PM

It's not being misused as Nightmare Fuel but more so. All those uses are correct. If it's scary, and it's supposed to be scary, it's in the right place. The problem is, that people are misusing Nightmare Fuel.

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#40: Mar 20th 2011 at 8:56:29 PM

Lemon Demon made a song called Nightmare fuel which is basically the page's trope description.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#41: Mar 20th 2011 at 8:57:44 PM

But the page description insists the Trope Namer is MST.

You're not calling the description wrong, are you?! :)

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#42: Mar 20th 2011 at 9:04:38 PM

Beh, the NightmareFuel page used to list that Lemon Demon song as its quote. Fast Eddy deleted it because it was too long a quote, its in the page history if you don't believe me.

If its insisted MST did it first I guess I'll just have to take the troper's word for it, I don't feel like doing more research over this.

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SpellBlade Since: Dec, 1969
#43: Mar 20th 2011 at 9:12:03 PM

Accidental Nightmare Fuel does sound like it would go a long way for preventing misuse.

fzzr_miller from California Since: Sep, 2009
#44: Mar 20th 2011 at 9:25:41 PM

[up]I like that. I still think a merge is an even better idea, but that is a pretty good alternative.

I propose a multiple proposition crowner (not necessarily right away, we're not quite ready yet) with at least the options "Merge with Nightmare Fuel" "Rename" "Do Nothing" and "Cut".

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#45: Mar 20th 2011 at 9:43:30 PM

So there wouldn't be a separate trope for "scary stuff in works meant for kids"? Or would that be a subtrope?

fzzr_miller from California Since: Sep, 2009
#46: Mar 20th 2011 at 9:54:30 PM

I don't see the need for a distinction; see my post in the merge thread here.

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Cider The Final ECW Champion from Not New York Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#47: Mar 20th 2011 at 10:31:09 PM

There already is a trope for that Leaper, its called Defanged Horrors.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#48: Mar 20th 2011 at 11:49:56 PM

Except that Defanged Horrors is for things that are intentionally frightening to children, while Nightmare Fuel (in theory) is an audience reaction about things that weren't meant to be scary.

However, I personally agree that that's a pretty pointless distinction. I support a merge, and definitely support putting up a crowner so we can get something more substantial than "I think it's a good/bad idea" posts.

GoggleFox rrrrrrrrr from Acadia, yo. Since: Jul, 2009
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#49: Mar 21st 2011 at 7:48:23 AM

Let's see... subjective trope, difference between forms is related to inferred intent... yeah. Considering how many tropes exist in the subjective envelope based on Alternate Character Interpretation of either characters, authors, or both, it seems rather silly to separate things according to whether it was intended to be scary or not.

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#50: Mar 21st 2011 at 7:56:59 AM

It seems that every time either nightmare fuel or high octane comes up, someone has to bring up the merge point, no matter how irrelevant.

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AlternativeTitles: NightmareFuel
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Crown Description:

Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.

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